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> it feels like open source systems and UIs are developing at a glacial pace these days Check out hyprland: hyprland.org

by csdvrx 4y ago

lproven 4y ago
Same old same old. I don't want a tiling WM, thanks. I'm a big boy, I've been using WIMPs for 35 years, and I can manage my own windows very nicely with a few keystrokes. I don't need a tool to do it for me and fail to read my mind. I also don't want a bloody great horizontal panel across the top of the screen wasting 1cm of vertical space on a widescreen display. No it does not help if it's visually broken up into separate islands: it's dead to me. Wasted space. Either use it, and you'd better find a remarkably good set of uses for it, or give it back.
- csdvrx 4y ago
  > Same old same old. I don't want a tiling WM, thanks. That's a very naive take of tiling. For traditional tiling, maybe. But unlike WM that do tiling only, hyprland does more: it supports my keystrokes and lets me configure how much of space each window get, while also letting me "float" the windows like a regular window manager > I'm a big boy, I've been using WIMPs for 35 years, Have you considered the possibility you are so set in your ways that you are neglecting new and useful tool? The tone of your comment reminds me of the summary dismissals of fzy. > I also don't want a bloody great horizontal panel across the top of the screen wasting 1cm of vertical space on a widescreen display Then make the panel vertical instead of horizontal, or just close it lol - all of which can be done with a few keystrokes
  - akho 4y ago
    > But unlike WM that do tiling only, hyprland does more: it supports my keystrokes and lets me configure how much of space each window get, while also letting me "float" the windows like a regular window manager All dynamic tiling WMs do those things. Hyprland is not special in that way.
  - lproven 4y ago
    > it supports my keystrokes You know that there is basically a standard set, imposed by Windows in about 1986 or something and also supported in GNOME 2, MATE, Xfce, LXDE, etc etc.? I am more interested in if it supports them. I mean, I don't know what your set are, and I am not for a moment saying there's anything wrong with them, but there are standards for this stuff, used heavily by millions of blind computer users for example. > Have you considered the possibility you are so set in your ways that you are neglecting new and useful tool? Could be. I am a professional assessor of, and commentator on, this stuff, though. I mainly use a desktop I switched to in 2011. :-) Before that, I changed in 2004, after a change in 2001, after a change in 1995, after a change in 1992, after one in 1989, etc. etc. I mean I am an old pharte, fair call, but I am a reasonably adaptable one, I think. :-D What is "fzy"? https://github.com/jhawthorn/fzy https://github.com/jhawthorn/fzy ...? > Then make the panel vertical instead of horizontal Why don't any of the screenshots show that, then? I see 6 horizontal panels in the screenies on the homepage and Github, and one with none. From that, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude this is not a core feature or something.
    - csdvrx 4y ago
      > You know that there is basically a standard set, imposed by Windows in about 1986 or something and also supported in GNOME 2, MATE, Xfce, LXDE, etc etc.? I am more interested in if it supports them. I mean, I don't know what your set are, and I am not for a moment saying there's anything wrong with them, but there are standards for this stuff, used heavily by millions of blind computer users for example Yes, and the terminal not copy pasting with ctrl-c infuriates me: it's long be remapped to ctrl-x (right next!) on mine to achieve consistency. As for the general shortcuts, it seems to, and the extra ones I wanted because I'm used to them (ex: Win+Shift+S = snipping tool) I could add easily. Now it's effortless to do the same thing I did before (Win+L locks etc) > > Then make the panel vertical instead of horizontal > Why don't any of the screenshots show that, then? A lot of the information is implicit to a domain: a video of bash not showing handling of say SIGTERM shouldn't be taken to mean it doesn't handle them, the good old absence of evidence is not evidence of absence > From that, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude this is not a core feature or something. Core features are more like what most people tastes converge to. You are to pick app to achieve your desired end result: waybar for example is not part of hyprland, it's often used with it, because it's complementory like say bash and vi, even if there are other possible choices Anyway, seriously give it a try- to the likes of fzf too. We have a lot of cool/better tech than existed in 2011, about 12 years ago Your previous upgrade cycles were 3 years, so I think you're long overdue - might as well take the best there's now! BTW check the discussion about fzf from a few days ago here it's another great set of recent-ish tools https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35248098 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35248098 If you do upgrade, I suggest not trying to take any of your old tools if they are not wayland native it's often not the effort: there's a replacement somewhere, you just may not know about it, but it will certainly do a better job once you find it I say all that super seriously: I really love my new stack, it gives me leves of productivity I had only been able to reach in Windows (the UI is wonderful if you know how to use it with the right keystrokes)
jonas-w 4y ago
How does it compare to sway?
- csdvrx 4y ago
  I haven't use sway enough to feel comfortable evaluating it

> it feels like open source systems and UIs are developing at a glacial pace these days Check out hyprland: hyprland.org

by csdvrx 4y ago

> it feels like open source systems and UIs are developing at a glacial pace these days Check out hyprland: hyprland.org

lproven 4y ago

Same old same old. I don't want a tiling WM, thanks. I'm a big boy, I've been using WIMPs for 35 years, and I can manage my own windows very nicely with a few keystrokes. I don't need a tool to do it for me and fail to read my mind. I also don't want a bloody great horizontal panel across the top of the screen wasting 1cm of vertical space on a widescreen display. No it does not help if it's visually broken up into separate islands: it's dead to me. Wasted space. Either use it, and you'd better find a remarkably good set of uses for it, or give it back.

csdvrx 4y ago
> Same old same old. I don't want a tiling WM, thanks. That's a very naive take of tiling. For traditional tiling, maybe. But unlike WM that do tiling only, hyprland does more: it supports my keystrokes and lets me configure how much of space each window get, while also letting me "float" the windows like a regular window manager > I'm a big boy, I've been using WIMPs for 35 years, Have you considered the possibility you are so set in your ways that you are neglecting new and useful tool? The tone of your comment reminds me of the summary dismissals of fzy. > I also don't want a bloody great horizontal panel across the top of the screen wasting 1cm of vertical space on a widescreen display Then make the panel vertical instead of horizontal, or just close it lol - all of which can be done with a few keystrokes
- akho 4y ago
  > But unlike WM that do tiling only, hyprland does more: it supports my keystrokes and lets me configure how much of space each window get, while also letting me "float" the windows like a regular window manager All dynamic tiling WMs do those things. Hyprland is not special in that way.
- lproven 4y ago
  > it supports my keystrokes You know that there is basically a standard set, imposed by Windows in about 1986 or something and also supported in GNOME 2, MATE, Xfce, LXDE, etc etc.? I am more interested in if it supports them. I mean, I don't know what your set are, and I am not for a moment saying there's anything wrong with them, but there are standards for this stuff, used heavily by millions of blind computer users for example. > Have you considered the possibility you are so set in your ways that you are neglecting new and useful tool? Could be. I am a professional assessor of, and commentator on, this stuff, though. I mainly use a desktop I switched to in 2011. :-) Before that, I changed in 2004, after a change in 2001, after a change in 1995, after a change in 1992, after one in 1989, etc. etc. I mean I am an old pharte, fair call, but I am a reasonably adaptable one, I think. :-D What is "fzy"? https://github.com/jhawthorn/fzy https://github.com/jhawthorn/fzy ...? > Then make the panel vertical instead of horizontal Why don't any of the screenshots show that, then? I see 6 horizontal panels in the screenies on the homepage and Github, and one with none. From that, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude this is not a core feature or something.
  - csdvrx 4y ago
    > You know that there is basically a standard set, imposed by Windows in about 1986 or something and also supported in GNOME 2, MATE, Xfce, LXDE, etc etc.? I am more interested in if it supports them. I mean, I don't know what your set are, and I am not for a moment saying there's anything wrong with them, but there are standards for this stuff, used heavily by millions of blind computer users for example Yes, and the terminal not copy pasting with ctrl-c infuriates me: it's long be remapped to ctrl-x (right next!) on mine to achieve consistency. As for the general shortcuts, it seems to, and the extra ones I wanted because I'm used to them (ex: Win+Shift+S = snipping tool) I could add easily. Now it's effortless to do the same thing I did before (Win+L locks etc) > > Then make the panel vertical instead of horizontal > Why don't any of the screenshots show that, then? A lot of the information is implicit to a domain: a video of bash not showing handling of say SIGTERM shouldn't be taken to mean it doesn't handle them, the good old absence of evidence is not evidence of absence > From that, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude this is not a core feature or something. Core features are more like what most people tastes converge to. You are to pick app to achieve your desired end result: waybar for example is not part of hyprland, it's often used with it, because it's complementory like say bash and vi, even if there are other possible choices Anyway, seriously give it a try- to the likes of fzf too. We have a lot of cool/better tech than existed in 2011, about 12 years ago Your previous upgrade cycles were 3 years, so I think you're long overdue - might as well take the best there's now! BTW check the discussion about fzf from a few days ago here it's another great set of recent-ish tools https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35248098 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35248098 If you do upgrade, I suggest not trying to take any of your old tools if they are not wayland native it's often not the effort: there's a replacement somewhere, you just may not know about it, but it will certainly do a better job once you find it I say all that super seriously: I really love my new stack, it gives me leves of productivity I had only been able to reach in Windows (the UI is wonderful if you know how to use it with the right keystrokes)

jonas-w 4y ago

How does it compare to sway?

csdvrx 4y ago
I haven't use sway enough to feel comfortable evaluating it