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On the same line of "did no one ever bother to actually use it ?", you get a brand new computer or laptop, you want something to run over night so you go to set

by nolok 4y ago

On the same line of "did no one ever bother to actually use it ?", you get a brand new computer or laptop, you want something to run over night so you go to settings and you set "sleep after" to "never", and it still goes down. You think you go crazy, you check every single option, and nope, everything is properly set. Then you go into the details of your power plan, through the old control panel they plan to remove, and you see that the hibernation settings is set to 120 minutes, and is not exposed in any way in the settings menu. What is even the point of allowing me to disable sleep ? I know sleep and hibernate are two different things on a technical and power usage level, but the end user really doesn't care, what he means is "don't turn the computer off". There are so many things in that same vein that have gone wrong after windows 7, and by the way the windows 11 start menu and right click contextual menu are as bad as people describe them, thank god third party tools easily exists to remove them. Microsoft lost the phone battle so now they want my laptop to behave like a phone, this is ridiculous.

causi 4y ago
What gets me is the extraordinarily basic things you can't do without third-party software. You can no longer just drag a Start menu search result onto your desktop for a shortcut. The Taskbar cannot be set to automatically extend upward when you have a lot of windows open and then back down when you don't. There is no central menu for managing what entries you have on your right-click menu.
vladvasiliu 4y ago
Oh, but the hibernation story is event better! If you actually want to have it hibernate, it will randomly wake up at night on its own! It doesn't seem to notice that it has bitlocker enabled and no auto-unlock, it will happily bathe the whole room in that blue light.
- LeoNatan25 4y ago
  Is this perhaps an issue with BIOS settings, such as wake on LAN or something else? When Windows hibernates, it turns the PC off. You need to investigate what is turning it back on, and I don’t think that’s Windows.
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    That particular PC dual-boots windows and Linux. When the PC is either fully off or hibernates under Linux, it never ever turns on on its own. Wake on LAN and bios timers are all disabled. I've already complained about this on some other thread, and a poster talked about some kind of timer that windows activates. I think there's some merit to that because it always turns on at night, I don't remember it turning on during the day. I never went looking for details, since this is only a gaming PC, so it's not that much of a hassle to just turn it off. I'm not confident that an update won't reverse the change.
    - LeoNatan25 4y ago
      In that case, you can most likely find it in the event viewer.
      - vladvasiliu 4y ago
        I don't doubt that. But the point is that this is an extremely terrible implementation of whatever it is they are trying to achieve. I've jumped through the obvious hoops of disabling sleep and automatic update installs. If I put my PC to sleep, I want it to stay asleep, I don't want the OS to second-guess me, especially if it's unable to plan for its own configuration that may prevent it from doing what it's doing. To me, this just reeks of a half-assed attempt at copying apple's "power nap" feature. "Yah, let met check your mail while the pc sleeps (who the hell cares?!) or apply random updates". Except that on macOS, you can disable this with an obvious checkbox in an obvious place. Having to sift through event viewer (which for some reason is unbearably slow even on an 8-core Xeon with an NVMe drive) and going spelunking in the registry looking for undocumented settings is so user hostile.
        LeoNatan25 4y ago
        Sleep has been terrible on Windows for many, many years. Typically, when setting up a PC, in order for it to sleep consistently until _I_ wake it, I have to go into device manager, go over each USB device, and disable it waking the PC. That is a terrible experience that nobody should do. Not sure whether this behavior is due to bad drivers or a bad Windows implementation, and frankly I don’t care. I’ve never seen what you are describing with hibernation, because it just shuts off the PC. But I have little to none experience with Windows 11.
- donmcronald 4y ago
  It doesn't even have to be waking up from hibernate. Windows will decide it needs to reboot after installing updates even though BitLocker is configured to use an extra PIN. On mine it wouldn't sit on the BitLocker screen forever. It would reboot after a little bit which would cause the fans to spin to max for a second. It's like having someone revving a car all night, but with the added anxiety of knowing it's wearing out your stuff. Microsoft owes me some sleep.
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    Yeah, mine reboots too. But the PC is very quiet, and I sleep with earplugs, so the only nuisance is the bright screen.
wongarsu 4y ago
The "solution" to your problem is press windows, type "presentation", and select "adjust settings before giving a presentation". Now just select "I am currently giving a presentation" and "Turn off screen saver", click ok, and your computer will stay on. Turn it off afterwards, otherwise it turns off on restart or when you manually initiate sleep. As a bonus you can have normal sleep and hibernation settings that make sense when you don't want to run something overnight. I'm not sure how you're supposed to discover this though. And it's only available on laptops. Somehow windows is starting to divide people into camps of "everything is turning to crap" and "everything is fine, just follow these arcane steps" where previous versions just worked
- causi 4y ago
  I used to be able to set up a new Windows installation from memory in less than ten minutes after finishing installation. Now it takes me damn near an hour and I have to keep a text file with all the steps to un-fuck Windows.
- wruza 4y ago
  Or install ms powertoys and enable “awake mode”.
  - causi 4y ago
    Doesn't always work. I have firsthand experience trying to use it on an Asus X13 and it just happily goes to sleep like it wasn't even running and activated.
JonChesterfield 4y ago
In fairness I've got a Debian box here which is doing something along the lines of sleep and it has put up enough of a fight that I've temporarily given up on running things overnight on it. I think there's an XML file that didn't use to exist somewhere that sometimes throws away my edits to it and overrides whatever I've told gnome to do.

by nolok 4y ago

causi 4y ago

What gets me is the extraordinarily basic things you can't do without third-party software. You can no longer just drag a Start menu search result onto your desktop for a shortcut. The Taskbar cannot be set to automatically extend upward when you have a lot of windows open and then back down when you don't. There is no central menu for managing what entries you have on your right-click menu.

vladvasiliu 4y ago

Oh, but the hibernation story is event better! If you actually want to have it hibernate, it will randomly wake up at night on its own! It doesn't seem to notice that it has bitlocker enabled and no auto-unlock, it will happily bathe the whole room in that blue light.

LeoNatan25 4y ago
Is this perhaps an issue with BIOS settings, such as wake on LAN or something else? When Windows hibernates, it turns the PC off. You need to investigate what is turning it back on, and I don’t think that’s Windows.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  That particular PC dual-boots windows and Linux. When the PC is either fully off or hibernates under Linux, it never ever turns on on its own. Wake on LAN and bios timers are all disabled. I've already complained about this on some other thread, and a poster talked about some kind of timer that windows activates. I think there's some merit to that because it always turns on at night, I don't remember it turning on during the day. I never went looking for details, since this is only a gaming PC, so it's not that much of a hassle to just turn it off. I'm not confident that an update won't reverse the change.
  - LeoNatan25 4y ago
    In that case, you can most likely find it in the event viewer.
    - vladvasiliu 4y ago
      I don't doubt that. But the point is that this is an extremely terrible implementation of whatever it is they are trying to achieve. I've jumped through the obvious hoops of disabling sleep and automatic update installs. If I put my PC to sleep, I want it to stay asleep, I don't want the OS to second-guess me, especially if it's unable to plan for its own configuration that may prevent it from doing what it's doing. To me, this just reeks of a half-assed attempt at copying apple's "power nap" feature. "Yah, let met check your mail while the pc sleeps (who the hell cares?!) or apply random updates". Except that on macOS, you can disable this with an obvious checkbox in an obvious place. Having to sift through event viewer (which for some reason is unbearably slow even on an 8-core Xeon with an NVMe drive) and going spelunking in the registry looking for undocumented settings is so user hostile.
      - LeoNatan25 4y ago
        Sleep has been terrible on Windows for many, many years. Typically, when setting up a PC, in order for it to sleep consistently until _I_ wake it, I have to go into device manager, go over each USB device, and disable it waking the PC. That is a terrible experience that nobody should do. Not sure whether this behavior is due to bad drivers or a bad Windows implementation, and frankly I don’t care. I’ve never seen what you are describing with hibernation, because it just shuts off the PC. But I have little to none experience with Windows 11.
donmcronald 4y ago
It doesn't even have to be waking up from hibernate. Windows will decide it needs to reboot after installing updates even though BitLocker is configured to use an extra PIN. On mine it wouldn't sit on the BitLocker screen forever. It would reboot after a little bit which would cause the fans to spin to max for a second. It's like having someone revving a car all night, but with the added anxiety of knowing it's wearing out your stuff. Microsoft owes me some sleep.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  Yeah, mine reboots too. But the PC is very quiet, and I sleep with earplugs, so the only nuisance is the bright screen.

wongarsu 4y ago

The "solution" to your problem is press windows, type "presentation", and select "adjust settings before giving a presentation". Now just select "I am currently giving a presentation" and "Turn off screen saver", click ok, and your computer will stay on. Turn it off afterwards, otherwise it turns off on restart or when you manually initiate sleep. As a bonus you can have normal sleep and hibernation settings that make sense when you don't want to run something overnight. I'm not sure how you're supposed to discover this though. And it's only available on laptops. Somehow windows is starting to divide people into camps of "everything is turning to crap" and "everything is fine, just follow these arcane steps" where previous versions just worked

causi 4y ago
I used to be able to set up a new Windows installation from memory in less than ten minutes after finishing installation. Now it takes me damn near an hour and I have to keep a text file with all the steps to un-fuck Windows.
wruza 4y ago
Or install ms powertoys and enable “awake mode”.
- causi 4y ago
  Doesn't always work. I have firsthand experience trying to use it on an Asus X13 and it just happily goes to sleep like it wasn't even running and activated.

JonChesterfield 4y ago

In fairness I've got a Debian box here which is doing something along the lines of sleep and it has put up enough of a fight that I've temporarily given up on running things overnight on it. I think there's an XML file that didn't use to exist somewhere that sometimes throws away my edits to it and overrides whatever I've told gnome to do.