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US government indescriminately hoarding American citizens' data? But if we don't, the terrorists win! It's not as if honest Americans have anything to hide, rig

US government indescriminately hoarding American citizens' data? But if we don't, the terrorists win! It's not as if honest Americans have anything to hide, right? US companies openly abusing their access to American citizens' data? I'm sure fining them like 0.1% of their profits will do the trick! No, we can't add more regulations to the industry! Haven't you read Atlas Shrugged? Chinese company having access to American citizens' data? We need to do something about this ASAP! Maybe we can make them an American company!

pnpnp 4y ago
I think the concern is foreign agents using the data for either propaganda or targeting individuals’ phones/location data. It’s exactly what national intelligence exists for.
- thomastjeffery 4y ago
  Yeah, I get that. They are concerned about the Chinese government abusing the data in that specific way. But they are not really concerned with any other abuses. Is it really the category of abuse that matters here, and not the actor? Color me unconvinced.
  - pnpnp 4y ago
    I absolutely think it’s about the actor AND the category. The CCP has really been stepping up its game and putting pressure on in a bad way lately. The South China Sea, Taiwan, Russian interaction… lots of geopolitical reasons for the two governments to be unfriendly at the moment.
    - thomastjeffery 4y ago
      ...and what does that have to do with my data? Do you really think the CCP is going to run an effective pro-Russia/China or anti-Taiwan propaganda campaign? In the US? An effective one? I'm still not convinced that risk is even remotely more concerning than what Facebook or the NSA are doing.
duxup 4y ago
I feel like there's a difference between the two.
ROTMetro 4y ago
I think it's more China having the ability to order a company to do something like this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilybaker-white/2022/12/22/tiktok-tracks-forbes-journalists-bytedance/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilybaker-white/2022/12/22/tik...

pnpnp 4y ago

I think the concern is foreign agents using the data for either propaganda or targeting individuals’ phones/location data. It’s exactly what national intelligence exists for.

thomastjeffery 4y ago
Yeah, I get that. They are concerned about the Chinese government abusing the data in that specific way. But they are not really concerned with any other abuses. Is it really the category of abuse that matters here, and not the actor? Color me unconvinced.
- pnpnp 4y ago
  I absolutely think it’s about the actor AND the category. The CCP has really been stepping up its game and putting pressure on in a bad way lately. The South China Sea, Taiwan, Russian interaction… lots of geopolitical reasons for the two governments to be unfriendly at the moment.
  - thomastjeffery 4y ago
    ...and what does that have to do with my data? Do you really think the CCP is going to run an effective pro-Russia/China or anti-Taiwan propaganda campaign? In the US? An effective one? I'm still not convinced that risk is even remotely more concerning than what Facebook or the NSA are doing.

duxup 4y ago

I feel like there's a difference between the two.

ROTMetro 4y ago

I think it's more China having the ability to order a company to do something like this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilybaker-white/2022/12/22/tiktok-tracks-forbes-journalists-bytedance/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilybaker-white/2022/12/22/tik...