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I was born outside the US and we had local gangsters that would walk up to you in the middle of the street and try to “sell” you a brick. Like a brick that you

I was born outside the US and we had local gangsters that would walk up to you in the middle of the street and try to “sell” you a brick. Like a brick that you build a house or wall with. They would show it to you, and tell you that it was a great brick and that you should buy it. If you told them you didn’t want the brick, they would assure you that yes you most certainly do want the brick. You then bought the brick from them. You can probably image what the brick was used for if you refused to purchase it. I'm not familiar with this situation, but I'm assuming that whoever is doing this isn't there to "clean" your windshield, and that the entire "transaction" is imbued with the implicit threat of violence and intimidation. You're essentially being robbed through other means. If this isn't the case, then I'm happy to admit that I'm wrong, but that's how it reads to me.

reaperducer 4y ago
This happened to a friend of mine in Atlanta. Someone tried to sell her a rock at a traffic light. When she wouldn't buy it, they used it to smash her rear driver's side window and grab whatever they could from inside the car.
- cal5k 4y ago
  Risky move, given that Georgia is a constitutional carry state and castle doctrine extends to occupied vehicles.
  - birdyrooster 4y ago
    Im pretty sure most guns are owned by hoarders sitting in a cabinet somewhere they aren’t likely to be in someone’s car who is ready to use it. Gun owners are a minority and they are just very enthusiastic individuals that they seem like a larger contingent than they are.
    - paisawalla 4y ago
      In 2020 this poll found 32% of Americans report owning a gun, and 44% live in a household with one. So not "most", but not insubstantial either. https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own...
    - imwithstoopid 4y ago
      there are over 400 million firearms in the US in the hands of an estimated 100 million individuals over two million background checks for firearms purchases are performed each month, and this number is rising, and the number of people who are being background checked for the first time is rapidly rising (fastest growing group - black women) by 2030 there will likely be a half billion firearms in the US there are more fully automatic rifles registered to individuals in Texas (40k) than are in possession of many NATO armies...for semi-auto pistols and rifles, Texas residents outgun most NATO armies by a substantial margin these are stats that both gun advocacy and opposition groups will be happy to validate (each believe the numbers support their position) anecdotally, it is very common here in Texas to read of traffic altercations in which both parties involved in road rage incidents were carrying in their vehicles...it is widespread
      - bombcar 4y ago
        Posted elsewhere but https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3937627 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3937627 has numbers to back some of this up Also according to the Small Arms Survey, Texas has five times as many guns as the US military. Though the US military ones are more likely to have select fire and fully automatic but those are only particularly useful in certain situations.
    - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
      Mine is in my truck. So that's 1 data point.
  - reaperducer 4y ago
    Risky move, given that Georgia is a constitutional carry state and castle doctrine extends to occupied vehicles. Not really. By the time a seat-belted person gets to their gun, whether in a holster, under the seat, in a purse, or in the glove box, the thief is long gone. Real life is very different from the movies.
    - Fatnino 4y ago
      You are asserting that it takes a long time to get a gun out. I remember a few years back there was some controversy about how police are trained to shoot first and one of the things that bubbled up then was a video (I think produced by someone teaching the police) of a seated driver drawing a gun and having it pointed out the window in a fraction of a second. The gun was in a holster down by the seat belt buckle. And the next instant it was pointing out the driver's window.
      - reaperducer 4y ago
        Makes sense for a seasoned criminal, of the type who might shoot a cop. Joe Lunchbucket isn't likely to be so agile.
        tristor 4y ago
        Statistically speaking, Joe Lunchbucket, is likely a better trained shooter than the police, most of whom only fire their guns once a year to qualify and have to meet lower accuracy standards than CHL holders in 32 states.
  - brookst 4y ago
    Why risky? Assuming the person with the rock knows this and is armed, they're probably ready for a would-be Rambo and they're much better positioned to shoot first, or at least they'll have the draw and be able to take your gun right off of you.
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imwithstoopid 4y ago
> I'm not familiar with this situation, but I'm assuming that whoever is doing this isn't there to "clean" your windshield, and that the entire "transaction" is imbued with the implicit threat of violence not in the US - millions of people keep loaded guns in their vehicles
- arcticbull 4y ago
  Do you have a reference on that number? I’d love to know what the number actually is.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3937627 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3937627 has some numbers: > During the Coronavirus pandemic, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared to over 21.52 million – a 48% increase since 2016. Given that some states are "constitutional carry" (21 states) and do NOT require a permit if you legally own the gun, the actual number of people who HAVE a gun and can carry it would be higher than 21 million. They even do the math: > To summarize, the total number of permits in the US is at least 21.52 million. Add in people who legally carry without a permit, and the number clearly becomes much larger. While 8.3% of the adult population has permits, the percentage of Americans who say that they carry most or all the time is about 5.4%. 5.4% of Americans is about 17 million people, the majority of which will carry when in their vehicle. (Note that legally and technically you are "conceal carrying" in many states if the gun is IN the vehicle, not locked, even if it is NOT on your person - so if you're married and YOU carry, you will want your spouse to get a CCW also even if he or she never carries, because if you're both in the car, the gun is in the center console, and you step out to get gas, your spouse is now concealing).

reaperducer 4y ago

This happened to a friend of mine in Atlanta. Someone tried to sell her a rock at a traffic light. When she wouldn't buy it, they used it to smash her rear driver's side window and grab whatever they could from inside the car.

cal5k 4y ago
Risky move, given that Georgia is a constitutional carry state and castle doctrine extends to occupied vehicles.
- birdyrooster 4y ago
  Im pretty sure most guns are owned by hoarders sitting in a cabinet somewhere they aren’t likely to be in someone’s car who is ready to use it. Gun owners are a minority and they are just very enthusiastic individuals that they seem like a larger contingent than they are.
  - paisawalla 4y ago
    In 2020 this poll found 32% of Americans report owning a gun, and 44% live in a household with one. So not "most", but not insubstantial either. https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own...
  - imwithstoopid 4y ago
    there are over 400 million firearms in the US in the hands of an estimated 100 million individuals over two million background checks for firearms purchases are performed each month, and this number is rising, and the number of people who are being background checked for the first time is rapidly rising (fastest growing group - black women) by 2030 there will likely be a half billion firearms in the US there are more fully automatic rifles registered to individuals in Texas (40k) than are in possession of many NATO armies...for semi-auto pistols and rifles, Texas residents outgun most NATO armies by a substantial margin these are stats that both gun advocacy and opposition groups will be happy to validate (each believe the numbers support their position) anecdotally, it is very common here in Texas to read of traffic altercations in which both parties involved in road rage incidents were carrying in their vehicles...it is widespread
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Posted elsewhere but https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3937627 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3937627 has numbers to back some of this up Also according to the Small Arms Survey, Texas has five times as many guns as the US military. Though the US military ones are more likely to have select fire and fully automatic but those are only particularly useful in certain situations.
  - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
    Mine is in my truck. So that's 1 data point.
- reaperducer 4y ago
  Risky move, given that Georgia is a constitutional carry state and castle doctrine extends to occupied vehicles. Not really. By the time a seat-belted person gets to their gun, whether in a holster, under the seat, in a purse, or in the glove box, the thief is long gone. Real life is very different from the movies.
  - Fatnino 4y ago
    You are asserting that it takes a long time to get a gun out. I remember a few years back there was some controversy about how police are trained to shoot first and one of the things that bubbled up then was a video (I think produced by someone teaching the police) of a seated driver drawing a gun and having it pointed out the window in a fraction of a second. The gun was in a holster down by the seat belt buckle. And the next instant it was pointing out the driver's window.
    - reaperducer 4y ago
      Makes sense for a seasoned criminal, of the type who might shoot a cop. Joe Lunchbucket isn't likely to be so agile.
      - tristor 4y ago
        Statistically speaking, Joe Lunchbucket, is likely a better trained shooter than the police, most of whom only fire their guns once a year to qualify and have to meet lower accuracy standards than CHL holders in 32 states.
- brookst 4y ago
  Why risky? Assuming the person with the rock knows this and is armed, they're probably ready for a would-be Rambo and they're much better positioned to shoot first, or at least they'll have the draw and be able to take your gun right off of you.

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imwithstoopid 4y ago

> I'm not familiar with this situation, but I'm assuming that whoever is doing this isn't there to "clean" your windshield, and that the entire "transaction" is imbued with the implicit threat of violence not in the US - millions of people keep loaded guns in their vehicles

arcticbull 4y ago
Do you have a reference on that number? I’d love to know what the number actually is.
- bombcar 4y ago
  https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3937627 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3937627 has some numbers: > During the Coronavirus pandemic, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared to over 21.52 million – a 48% increase since 2016. Given that some states are "constitutional carry" (21 states) and do NOT require a permit if you legally own the gun, the actual number of people who HAVE a gun and can carry it would be higher than 21 million. They even do the math: > To summarize, the total number of permits in the US is at least 21.52 million. Add in people who legally carry without a permit, and the number clearly becomes much larger. While 8.3% of the adult population has permits, the percentage of Americans who say that they carry most or all the time is about 5.4%. 5.4% of Americans is about 17 million people, the majority of which will carry when in their vehicle. (Note that legally and technically you are "conceal carrying" in many states if the gun is IN the vehicle, not locked, even if it is NOT on your person - so if you're married and YOU carry, you will want your spouse to get a CCW also even if he or she never carries, because if you're both in the car, the gun is in the center console, and you step out to get gas, your spouse is now concealing).