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Yeah pretty much just because it's Chinese. China doesn't allow American internet companies access to their market either though.

yorwba 4y ago
Microsoft's Bing is allowed, because they apply the same censorship as local companies. That's a barrier to entry into the market (need to hire lots of censors) but not a competitive disadvantage (because everyone else also needs to hire lots of censors). American politicians who want to copy Chinese policies to retaliate for unfair treatment of American companies would be retaliating against American citizens for unfairly having First Amendment rights when Chinese citizens don't.
- mannerheim 4y ago
  I doubt American citizens would be banned from accessing TikTok. It would just be banned from app stores and CDNs, presumably if they sideload or visit the website they will be able to access it.
  - mad0 4y ago
    I think this would effectively drop the usage (maybe not to 0 but enough to allow other social services to come back on the stage). Most people don't know how to sideload or don't want to sideload anything out of app store, the webpage version is unwieldy to use.
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-china-ends-censorship https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch... > Google said the cyber attack originated from China and that its intellectual property was stolen, but that evidence suggested a primary goal was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. How many Chinese human rights activists use or used Hotmail?
  - rfoo 4y ago
    Quite a lot in the old days. Microsoft is a well-known brand in China. Grandma and grandpas are repeating stories of Bill Gates during 00s, they don't know who tf Sergey is. There are very minimal Mac users, so computer = PC = Windows + Office = Microsoft.
    - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
      That doesn't mean tech-savvy human rights activists used Microsoft's HotMail over Gmail.
      - rfoo 4y ago
        Human rights activists are not tech-savvy.
ramblenode 4y ago
> China doesn't allow American internet companies access to their market either though. Google and Facebook both used to operate in China. The government of China told them to start censoring certain content. US lawmakers did not like this and warned the companies not to comply with Chinese rules. So the companies left China to keep the US side happy. So to be clear, there was active pressure from the highest levels of US government for American companies not to build products in China that could be used for censorship. The revisionist history is wild.
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  Why did you leave out the cyberattacks on Google against CCP's opponents? https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/world/asia/13beijing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/world/asia/13beijing.html https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-china-ends-censorship https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch... See this is one of the advantages of having an open society. Google is not censored in the US and we can look up the history of Google being forced out of China. > Google said the cyber attack originated from China and that its intellectual property was stolen, but that evidence suggested a primary goal was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.

yorwba 4y ago

Microsoft's Bing is allowed, because they apply the same censorship as local companies. That's a barrier to entry into the market (need to hire lots of censors) but not a competitive disadvantage (because everyone else also needs to hire lots of censors). American politicians who want to copy Chinese policies to retaliate for unfair treatment of American companies would be retaliating against American citizens for unfairly having First Amendment rights when Chinese citizens don't.

mannerheim 4y ago
I doubt American citizens would be banned from accessing TikTok. It would just be banned from app stores and CDNs, presumably if they sideload or visit the website they will be able to access it.
- mad0 4y ago
  I think this would effectively drop the usage (maybe not to 0 but enough to allow other social services to come back on the stage). Most people don't know how to sideload or don't want to sideload anything out of app store, the webpage version is unwieldy to use.
cscurmudgeon 4y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-china-ends-censorship https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch... > Google said the cyber attack originated from China and that its intellectual property was stolen, but that evidence suggested a primary goal was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. How many Chinese human rights activists use or used Hotmail?
- rfoo 4y ago
  Quite a lot in the old days. Microsoft is a well-known brand in China. Grandma and grandpas are repeating stories of Bill Gates during 00s, they don't know who tf Sergey is. There are very minimal Mac users, so computer = PC = Windows + Office = Microsoft.
  - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
    That doesn't mean tech-savvy human rights activists used Microsoft's HotMail over Gmail.
    - rfoo 4y ago
      Human rights activists are not tech-savvy.

ramblenode 4y ago

> China doesn't allow American internet companies access to their market either though. Google and Facebook both used to operate in China. The government of China told them to start censoring certain content. US lawmakers did not like this and warned the companies not to comply with Chinese rules. So the companies left China to keep the US side happy. So to be clear, there was active pressure from the highest levels of US government for American companies not to build products in China that could be used for censorship. The revisionist history is wild.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
Why did you leave out the cyberattacks on Google against CCP's opponents? https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/world/asia/13beijing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/world/asia/13beijing.html https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-china-ends-censorship https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch... See this is one of the advantages of having an open society. Google is not censored in the US and we can look up the history of Google being forced out of China. > Google said the cyber attack originated from China and that its intellectual property was stolen, but that evidence suggested a primary goal was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.