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So yeah, people who are volunteering their time for free are asking if this is so important to you do you have a solution other than demanding that they volunte

So yeah, people who are volunteering their time for free are asking if this is so important to you do you have a solution other than demanding that they volunteer their time for free for your priority.

awill 4y ago
Volunteering for free? I know there is a lot of that, but doesn’t RH also fund a LOT of gnome development?
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  Was this a Red Hat priority? Then Red Hat can complain about how their priorities are not being met despite them funding this project. I mean, this is a worse argument. It’s saying “How dare you not volunteer your free time or paid time to meet my priorities even though it’s not your priority or the priority of the people who are paying you”.
- pengaru 4y ago
  The RH desktop group is a small team in absolute terms.
superkuh 4y ago
Actually I talked to them on IRC and Gtk3 is frozen and even if you have a patch that fixes it they will not apply it. Gtk4 is probably different but no one except GNOME itself uses Gtk4.
- tristan957 4y ago
  This comment is full of misinformation. GTK3 is not frozen. There are PRs for it open right now. They just dropped the Autotools build recently, in fact. Elementary is currently using GTK4. I can only assume Cinnamon is on their way to using GTK4, but I don't keep up. XFCE and MATE move much slower than the other popular desktop environments. XFCE and MATE are going to be slow on the uptick since GTK4 isn't a desktop toolkit at the moment. From what I understand, it has the potential to be, but the maintained haven't opened up certain APIs.
  - superkuh 4y ago
    So the people from Redhat on #gtk were lying when they told me Gtk3 was frozen? I guess getting gaslit is slightly better than gtk3 actually being frozen broken. Thanks! I'll go back to trying to get the defaults for gtk3 filechooserwidget.c changed. As for the desktop environments, okay, so Elementary uses Gtk4 too. That's GNOME and Elementary. 2 of them. And we're ignoring all the applications that still use gtk3 (or 2) and the very few of them that have ported to Gtk4 (since the docs aren't even finished for 4).
    - tristan957 4y ago
      Why is it GNOME's responsibility to port non-GNOME applications or desktop environments? How are the GTK4 docs not done? I use them at least once a week.
      - superkuh 4y ago
        We're not talking about responsibility. We're talking about what Gtk version most people use. Most people use Gtk3. As for the docs, it was when I last checked about 5 months ago.
    - hitekker 4y ago
      There's a fun game that toxic internet communities like to play, where the elites of the community say one thing in one breath, and then another thing in another breath. Then their legions of weak-minded followers will cite that one thing or the other thing whenever their community identity is threatened. Either or, the community will gladly lie on the behalf of the elites. The elites pretend not to see the lies and the low-ranking community members pretend that they have no responsibility. Silly tribal nonsense that applies to more than a few maintainers and software.
pelagicAustral 4y ago
Yes, I agree. Some devs do volunteer for free. Some others do it for some other form of incentive. There's a cynical comment down below that points to this fact. Like seriously implying that most of the Windows-based support comes from paid engineers, guys, get a grip. A lot of people in the Windows community offer support for "free", thanks to the MVP badge incentive, it helps them demonstate they have reached some substancial proficiency in some Microsoft stack technology... In my view, that's not free... you're getting something for your time, something that might enhance your chances of getting a job. A lot of people in core-teams do get paid through donations. Donations, I may add, many times come from the same bastards they so profusely seek to brush off in bug reports such as this infamous one.

awill 4y ago

Volunteering for free? I know there is a lot of that, but doesn’t RH also fund a LOT of gnome development?

rhaway84773 4y ago
Was this a Red Hat priority? Then Red Hat can complain about how their priorities are not being met despite them funding this project. I mean, this is a worse argument. It’s saying “How dare you not volunteer your free time or paid time to meet my priorities even though it’s not your priority or the priority of the people who are paying you”.
pengaru 4y ago
The RH desktop group is a small team in absolute terms.

superkuh 4y ago

Actually I talked to them on IRC and Gtk3 is frozen and even if you have a patch that fixes it they will not apply it. Gtk4 is probably different but no one except GNOME itself uses Gtk4.

tristan957 4y ago
This comment is full of misinformation. GTK3 is not frozen. There are PRs for it open right now. They just dropped the Autotools build recently, in fact. Elementary is currently using GTK4. I can only assume Cinnamon is on their way to using GTK4, but I don't keep up. XFCE and MATE move much slower than the other popular desktop environments. XFCE and MATE are going to be slow on the uptick since GTK4 isn't a desktop toolkit at the moment. From what I understand, it has the potential to be, but the maintained haven't opened up certain APIs.
- superkuh 4y ago
  So the people from Redhat on #gtk were lying when they told me Gtk3 was frozen? I guess getting gaslit is slightly better than gtk3 actually being frozen broken. Thanks! I'll go back to trying to get the defaults for gtk3 filechooserwidget.c changed. As for the desktop environments, okay, so Elementary uses Gtk4 too. That's GNOME and Elementary. 2 of them. And we're ignoring all the applications that still use gtk3 (or 2) and the very few of them that have ported to Gtk4 (since the docs aren't even finished for 4).
  - tristan957 4y ago
    Why is it GNOME's responsibility to port non-GNOME applications or desktop environments? How are the GTK4 docs not done? I use them at least once a week.
    - superkuh 4y ago
      We're not talking about responsibility. We're talking about what Gtk version most people use. Most people use Gtk3. As for the docs, it was when I last checked about 5 months ago.
  - hitekker 4y ago
    There's a fun game that toxic internet communities like to play, where the elites of the community say one thing in one breath, and then another thing in another breath. Then their legions of weak-minded followers will cite that one thing or the other thing whenever their community identity is threatened. Either or, the community will gladly lie on the behalf of the elites. The elites pretend not to see the lies and the low-ranking community members pretend that they have no responsibility. Silly tribal nonsense that applies to more than a few maintainers and software.

pelagicAustral 4y ago

Yes, I agree. Some devs do volunteer for free. Some others do it for some other form of incentive. There's a cynical comment down below that points to this fact. Like seriously implying that most of the Windows-based support comes from paid engineers, guys, get a grip. A lot of people in the Windows community offer support for "free", thanks to the MVP badge incentive, it helps them demonstate they have reached some substancial proficiency in some Microsoft stack technology... In my view, that's not free... you're getting something for your time, something that might enhance your chances of getting a job. A lot of people in core-teams do get paid through donations. Donations, I may add, many times come from the same bastards they so profusely seek to brush off in bug reports such as this infamous one.