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a car can't walk, if it can't walk it cannot run. You're actually oversimplifying the matter to a point where an F-16 Hornet is a very fast runner. Which it is

a car can't walk, if it can't walk it cannot run. You're actually oversimplifying the matter to a point where an F-16 Hornet is a very fast runner. Which it isn't.

maxerickson 4y ago
It's the other way around. Focusing on walking and running not being good comparisons rather than making valid comparisons is a distraction. Like a lot of the stuff being done with large models certainly isn't thinking, but they can clearly characterize sets of data in ways that an unassisted human can't.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  until the machine needs to run or think and "characterize sets of data" won't make it. being able to answer based on a probabilistic assumption is not that great in general, they do it fast on a frozen knowledge base, it can be useful, sometimes is surprisingly good, but not that great in general. When I asked for the 3 best wood shops near me it replied with a shop that does not sell wood, a shop that does not exist and a broken website of a former now closed wood shop. Now can an AI train another AI to become "smarter" than it is? It can't. Can an AI train another AI to become better at "characterize sets of data" than it is? It can't. An unassisted AI is as helpless as the unassisted person, but can't even rely on the intelligence of the species.
  - maxerickson 4y ago
    We don't know what the possibilty space looks like. We know that the current stuff can't do a lot of things, and it isn't really that interesting to enumerate them. A predictive text model having a poor grasp of wood shop and location doesn't seem hugely surprising.
    - johnchristopher 4y ago
      People make the same arguments for time travel. "We dOnt KnoW wHat's poSsiBle yEt sO aNytHIng iS".
      - maxerickson 4y ago
        We have some evidence that intelligence is possible, so it isn't quite the same as coordinate jumping.
  - throwuwu 4y ago
    > When I asked for the 3 best wood shops near me it replied with a shop that does not sell wood, a shop that does not exist and a broken website of a former now closed wood shop. It’s not a search engine, if you give it the necessary tools it can use a search engine for you to find these answers.
luckylion 4y ago
Walking and running are modes of movement. A car can move. Focusing on the "how" feels like you'd arrive at "a calculator isn't as good at calculating as a human, because it doesn't do it the same way, it doesn't have a brain".
tshaddox 4y ago
You unintentionally point out the flaw of this argument by rephrasing it to eliminate the word “runner.” That’s the only word here that coincidentally strongly implies humans. By rephrasing it to “run” you end up with an even more clearly incorrect statement. My car can run. It runs pretty good. Sometimes I let it run for a few minutes to warm up.

a car can't walk, if it can't walk it cannot run. You're actually oversimplifying the matter to a point where an F-16 Hornet is a very fast runner. Which it isn't.

maxerickson 4y ago

It's the other way around. Focusing on walking and running not being good comparisons rather than making valid comparisons is a distraction. Like a lot of the stuff being done with large models certainly isn't thinking, but they can clearly characterize sets of data in ways that an unassisted human can't.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
until the machine needs to run or think and "characterize sets of data" won't make it. being able to answer based on a probabilistic assumption is not that great in general, they do it fast on a frozen knowledge base, it can be useful, sometimes is surprisingly good, but not that great in general. When I asked for the 3 best wood shops near me it replied with a shop that does not sell wood, a shop that does not exist and a broken website of a former now closed wood shop. Now can an AI train another AI to become "smarter" than it is? It can't. Can an AI train another AI to become better at "characterize sets of data" than it is? It can't. An unassisted AI is as helpless as the unassisted person, but can't even rely on the intelligence of the species.
- maxerickson 4y ago
  We don't know what the possibilty space looks like. We know that the current stuff can't do a lot of things, and it isn't really that interesting to enumerate them. A predictive text model having a poor grasp of wood shop and location doesn't seem hugely surprising.
  - johnchristopher 4y ago
    People make the same arguments for time travel. "We dOnt KnoW wHat's poSsiBle yEt sO aNytHIng iS".
    - maxerickson 4y ago
      We have some evidence that intelligence is possible, so it isn't quite the same as coordinate jumping.
- throwuwu 4y ago
  > When I asked for the 3 best wood shops near me it replied with a shop that does not sell wood, a shop that does not exist and a broken website of a former now closed wood shop. It’s not a search engine, if you give it the necessary tools it can use a search engine for you to find these answers.

luckylion 4y ago

Walking and running are modes of movement. A car can move. Focusing on the "how" feels like you'd arrive at "a calculator isn't as good at calculating as a human, because it doesn't do it the same way, it doesn't have a brain".

tshaddox 4y ago

You unintentionally point out the flaw of this argument by rephrasing it to eliminate the word “runner.” That’s the only word here that coincidentally strongly implies humans. By rephrasing it to “run” you end up with an even more clearly incorrect statement. My car can run. It runs pretty good. Sometimes I let it run for a few minutes to warm up.