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I didn't either, it's a view point you can have it's just a very low moral argument. "Sex work is ok because I agree with it, and agitating for a fascist socie

I didn't either, it's a view point you can have it's just a very low moral argument. "Sex work is ok because I agree with it, and agitating for a fascist society is not, because I disagree with it" - when someone could as easily say "Sex work is bad, because I disagree with it, and agitating for a fascist society is good, because I agree with it". It's a moral standpoint based on your beliefs (My beliefs are right). You can climb the moral ladder if you base the same argument ("sex" vs. "fascism") on some common ground, E.g. the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. (I would wish that people would not throw "fascist" aka. everyone who disagrees with me, around as easily and read some fascism theory - E.g. Sternhell - before and distingiush it from Dictatorships, Nationalsocialism, Authoritarianism etc.)

giraffe_lady 4y ago
"Sex work is fine and fascism is not" remains an incredibly sound moral position sorry. I think you're enjoying these convolutions though so that will be my only contribution to this project!
- KingOfCoders 4y ago
  "I think you're enjoying these convolutions" If nothing works, try ad hominem arguments. It is still an argument, but a very weak (the weakest?) one. "You are wrong because it's you" has the same problems as "The things I think are ok, are ok, and the things I think are bad, are bad", it doesn't try to be universal and revolves around oneself. Also these kind of arguments have the tendency to lead to an echo chamber with no progress on understanding. PS: You might be right, I've studied Philosophical Computer Science, but it doesn't strengthen your argument. It's like saying "You're wrong because you wear a blue hat, when I wear a blue hat".
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    Did I walk into a high school debate club without realizing it? Ad hominem? Let me be completely clear I don't respect you or your position here. I'm not engaging in an abstract philosophical exercise with the goal of furthering humanity's understanding of morality or whatever it is you think we're doing. I'm pointing out that spending time and energy trying to formulate perfectly nuanced universalizable mozaics of morality and slotting your positions into them is foolish. An alternative is just having good judgement, and acting on it. Is that perfect? Can it be generalized to all cases? No! And it doesn't matter because sex workers should be able to get paid without dying and fascism is bad. You don't need that shit today take it to your debate club maybe they'll like it.
  - KingOfCoders 4y ago
    "high school debate club" I'm not from the US, we don't have high schools here and we don't have debate clubs. And I personally don't care the least about US moral judgements. No one outside the US (96% of the world population) cares about US moral judgements. I still have a trauma because as a kid I was forced to watch sitcoms with only black people and sitcoms with only white people, as if there were two planets (Golden Girls was neat though, Cosby didn't age that well - it was ok to rape women but not ok to kiss someone white on TV - how fu is that). But thanks for assuming. The world doesn't revolve around you, the US is not the center of the world. I know, shocking. Get over it. I'm just happy that the days of US culture imperialism and gun-point morale exports ends and no one is forced to care about your views in the future ("But we have atomic bombs!" Yes, heard that before recently). Iraq and Afghanistan showed the emporer wears no clothes. Sad thing is I probably need to learn Chinese, when the other bully enters the stage (there is always a bully) but at least it's a change + "Wandering Earth" wasn't that bad ... Humming 51st state
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    What the everloving fuck is Philosophical Computer Science
- eldritch_4ier 4y ago
  It's not sound though. In no objective sense is it sound. On the fascism part I think we can all agree, but every society that's ever existed across the globe has criminalized or at least made sex work taboo for good reason. Do you think your moral authority is greater than the sum total of humans that have existed across all cultures? Hint: it's not. So the burden of proof is on you. Why exactly do you think sex work is ok and tolerable in society?
  - kbelder 4y ago
    >Do you think your moral authority is greater than the sum total of humans that have existed across all cultures? Therefore, progress is wrong.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

"Sex work is fine and fascism is not" remains an incredibly sound moral position sorry. I think you're enjoying these convolutions though so that will be my only contribution to this project!

KingOfCoders 4y ago
"I think you're enjoying these convolutions" If nothing works, try ad hominem arguments. It is still an argument, but a very weak (the weakest?) one. "You are wrong because it's you" has the same problems as "The things I think are ok, are ok, and the things I think are bad, are bad", it doesn't try to be universal and revolves around oneself. Also these kind of arguments have the tendency to lead to an echo chamber with no progress on understanding. PS: You might be right, I've studied Philosophical Computer Science, but it doesn't strengthen your argument. It's like saying "You're wrong because you wear a blue hat, when I wear a blue hat".
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  Did I walk into a high school debate club without realizing it? Ad hominem? Let me be completely clear I don't respect you or your position here. I'm not engaging in an abstract philosophical exercise with the goal of furthering humanity's understanding of morality or whatever it is you think we're doing. I'm pointing out that spending time and energy trying to formulate perfectly nuanced universalizable mozaics of morality and slotting your positions into them is foolish. An alternative is just having good judgement, and acting on it. Is that perfect? Can it be generalized to all cases? No! And it doesn't matter because sex workers should be able to get paid without dying and fascism is bad. You don't need that shit today take it to your debate club maybe they'll like it.
- KingOfCoders 4y ago
  "high school debate club" I'm not from the US, we don't have high schools here and we don't have debate clubs. And I personally don't care the least about US moral judgements. No one outside the US (96% of the world population) cares about US moral judgements. I still have a trauma because as a kid I was forced to watch sitcoms with only black people and sitcoms with only white people, as if there were two planets (Golden Girls was neat though, Cosby didn't age that well - it was ok to rape women but not ok to kiss someone white on TV - how fu is that). But thanks for assuming. The world doesn't revolve around you, the US is not the center of the world. I know, shocking. Get over it. I'm just happy that the days of US culture imperialism and gun-point morale exports ends and no one is forced to care about your views in the future ("But we have atomic bombs!" Yes, heard that before recently). Iraq and Afghanistan showed the emporer wears no clothes. Sad thing is I probably need to learn Chinese, when the other bully enters the stage (there is always a bully) but at least it's a change + "Wandering Earth" wasn't that bad ... Humming 51st state
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  What the everloving fuck is Philosophical Computer Science
eldritch_4ier 4y ago
It's not sound though. In no objective sense is it sound. On the fascism part I think we can all agree, but every society that's ever existed across the globe has criminalized or at least made sex work taboo for good reason. Do you think your moral authority is greater than the sum total of humans that have existed across all cultures? Hint: it's not. So the burden of proof is on you. Why exactly do you think sex work is ok and tolerable in society?
- kbelder 4y ago
  >Do you think your moral authority is greater than the sum total of humans that have existed across all cultures? Therefore, progress is wrong.