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I feel like somewhere around the release of Windows 8 Microsoft's OS division completely lost the plot and they've been coasting on profits from their other div

by causi 4y ago

I feel like somewhere around the release of Windows 8 Microsoft's OS division completely lost the plot and they've been coasting on profits from their other divisions ever since.

WillAdams 4y ago
That, and allowing other players to dictate things --- in particular, the dumbing down of active styluses in Fall Creators Update so as to match the behaviour of Android for the sake of the Surface Duo is bizarre. I had to turn of Windows Ink so that Macromedia Freehand/MX would work. I need to find a web browser where the stylus selects text, as it has since Windows for Pen Computing, rather than scroll (why is this desirable? Can't one just scroll w/ touch?).
- hsdropout 4y ago
  I'm still traumatized by Windows Server 2012 which removed the start menu in lieu of a touch interface. For an enterprise server platform...
sebazzz 4y ago
They've outsourced a lot development and QA, which may or may not have contributed to that feeling.
nolok 4y ago
On the same line of "did no one ever bother to actually use it ?", you get a brand new computer or laptop, you want something to run over night so you go to settings and you set "sleep after" to "never", and it still goes down. You think you go crazy, you check every single option, and nope, everything is properly set. Then you go into the details of your power plan, through the old control panel they plan to remove, and you see that the hibernation settings is set to 120 minutes, and is not exposed in any way in the settings menu. What is even the point of allowing me to disable sleep ? I know sleep and hibernate are two different things on a technical and power usage level, but the end user really doesn't care, what he means is "don't turn the computer off". There are so many things in that same vein that have gone wrong after windows 7, and by the way the windows 11 start menu and right click contextual menu are as bad as people describe them, thank god third party tools easily exists to remove them. Microsoft lost the phone battle so now they want my laptop to behave like a phone, this is ridiculous.
- causi 4y ago
  What gets me is the extraordinarily basic things you can't do without third-party software. You can no longer just drag a Start menu search result onto your desktop for a shortcut. The Taskbar cannot be set to automatically extend upward when you have a lot of windows open and then back down when you don't. There is no central menu for managing what entries you have on your right-click menu.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  Oh, but the hibernation story is event better! If you actually want to have it hibernate, it will randomly wake up at night on its own! It doesn't seem to notice that it has bitlocker enabled and no auto-unlock, it will happily bathe the whole room in that blue light.
  - LeoNatan25 4y ago
    Is this perhaps an issue with BIOS settings, such as wake on LAN or something else? When Windows hibernates, it turns the PC off. You need to investigate what is turning it back on, and I don’t think that’s Windows.
    - vladvasiliu 4y ago
      That particular PC dual-boots windows and Linux. When the PC is either fully off or hibernates under Linux, it never ever turns on on its own. Wake on LAN and bios timers are all disabled. I've already complained about this on some other thread, and a poster talked about some kind of timer that windows activates. I think there's some merit to that because it always turns on at night, I don't remember it turning on during the day. I never went looking for details, since this is only a gaming PC, so it's not that much of a hassle to just turn it off. I'm not confident that an update won't reverse the change.
      - LeoNatan25 4y ago
        In that case, you can most likely find it in the event viewer.
com2kid 4y ago
I've seen kernel code from pre and post Windows 8. The pre Windows 8 stuff is generally nice, from what little I saw the post windows 8 stuff looked like features designed by a PM that engineers were forced to implement. Things were obviously not as well thought out, Windows 8 was, IMHO, a panicked reaction to the rise of tablet sales at the time.
hulitu 4y ago
They tried before, just not so agressive. (clippy, GUI in XP etc). After Win 7 they started taking various drugs. This might explain why they often change the mood.

by causi 4y ago

I feel like somewhere around the release of Windows 8 Microsoft's OS division completely lost the plot and they've been coasting on profits from their other divisions ever since.

WillAdams 4y ago

That, and allowing other players to dictate things --- in particular, the dumbing down of active styluses in Fall Creators Update so as to match the behaviour of Android for the sake of the Surface Duo is bizarre. I had to turn of Windows Ink so that Macromedia Freehand/MX would work. I need to find a web browser where the stylus selects text, as it has since Windows for Pen Computing, rather than scroll (why is this desirable? Can't one just scroll w/ touch?).

hsdropout 4y ago
I'm still traumatized by Windows Server 2012 which removed the start menu in lieu of a touch interface. For an enterprise server platform...

sebazzz 4y ago

They've outsourced a lot development and QA, which may or may not have contributed to that feeling.

nolok 4y ago

On the same line of "did no one ever bother to actually use it ?", you get a brand new computer or laptop, you want something to run over night so you go to settings and you set "sleep after" to "never", and it still goes down. You think you go crazy, you check every single option, and nope, everything is properly set. Then you go into the details of your power plan, through the old control panel they plan to remove, and you see that the hibernation settings is set to 120 minutes, and is not exposed in any way in the settings menu. What is even the point of allowing me to disable sleep ? I know sleep and hibernate are two different things on a technical and power usage level, but the end user really doesn't care, what he means is "don't turn the computer off". There are so many things in that same vein that have gone wrong after windows 7, and by the way the windows 11 start menu and right click contextual menu are as bad as people describe them, thank god third party tools easily exists to remove them. Microsoft lost the phone battle so now they want my laptop to behave like a phone, this is ridiculous.

causi 4y ago
What gets me is the extraordinarily basic things you can't do without third-party software. You can no longer just drag a Start menu search result onto your desktop for a shortcut. The Taskbar cannot be set to automatically extend upward when you have a lot of windows open and then back down when you don't. There is no central menu for managing what entries you have on your right-click menu.
vladvasiliu 4y ago
Oh, but the hibernation story is event better! If you actually want to have it hibernate, it will randomly wake up at night on its own! It doesn't seem to notice that it has bitlocker enabled and no auto-unlock, it will happily bathe the whole room in that blue light.
- LeoNatan25 4y ago
  Is this perhaps an issue with BIOS settings, such as wake on LAN or something else? When Windows hibernates, it turns the PC off. You need to investigate what is turning it back on, and I don’t think that’s Windows.
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    That particular PC dual-boots windows and Linux. When the PC is either fully off or hibernates under Linux, it never ever turns on on its own. Wake on LAN and bios timers are all disabled. I've already complained about this on some other thread, and a poster talked about some kind of timer that windows activates. I think there's some merit to that because it always turns on at night, I don't remember it turning on during the day. I never went looking for details, since this is only a gaming PC, so it's not that much of a hassle to just turn it off. I'm not confident that an update won't reverse the change.
    - LeoNatan25 4y ago
      In that case, you can most likely find it in the event viewer.

com2kid 4y ago

I've seen kernel code from pre and post Windows 8. The pre Windows 8 stuff is generally nice, from what little I saw the post windows 8 stuff looked like features designed by a PM that engineers were forced to implement. Things were obviously not as well thought out, Windows 8 was, IMHO, a panicked reaction to the rise of tablet sales at the time.

hulitu 4y ago

They tried before, just not so agressive. (clippy, GUI in XP etc). After Win 7 they started taking various drugs. This might explain why they often change the mood.