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To be fair, he brings up an interesting analogy. From the article right after he says this, he follows with > It’s like saying a car can go faster than a human

To be fair, he brings up an interesting analogy. From the article right after he says this, he follows with > It’s like saying a car can go faster than a human runner. Of course it can, and yet we don’t say that the car has become a better runner. He has a point and I believe his point is that it's a different type of intelligence. His view is more nuanced than how you are trying to frame it.

dist-epoch 4y ago
But he is saying "cars are not dangerous because they are made by humans". Nuclear weapons are also made by humans abilities.
- geraneum 4y ago
  It's not about the semantics of the sentence he said. This is obvious. He is pointing out a difference in nature of the attributes/properties of a human and a human creation. Not about something being more or less dangerous. He is trying to tell the resporter, or perhapes the reader, that they're asking the wrong question.
  - dist-epoch 4y ago
    From article: > This idea of surpassing human ability is silly because it’s made of human abilities At some point in history we were just "chimp abilities", so the argument would become "it's silly to imagine that something made of chimp abilities could surpass chimp abilities".
    - pixl97 4y ago
      I'm with you on this. People in these chains seem to be looking at all the wrong metrics. Single-mode LLMs are made of human abilities, but we're already going to multi-modal, though with what I would call rather limited interconnections. What does a LLM that takes language and mixes that with sensor data from the real world? You're no longer talking about human abilities, you're going beyond that.
      - geraneum 4y ago
        This thread reminds me of that Big Bang Theory episode with the Super Man argument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5w4Qz6pVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5w4Qz6pVk I don't want to imply anything, just a moment of having fun. edit: wording
aiphex 4y ago
We don't say it because we don't care. Machines moving faster than a human runner have not posed a threat to any industry or jobs in our lifetime. It's a silly comparison. I bet you there was someone at one point who was unhappy that a machine was a better or faster welder than them though. At least that person may have had the opportunity to keep working at the factory alongside the welding machine, doing QA and repairs. Most knowledge workers will not get to switch to that kind of replacement job vis-à-vis AIs.
- geraneum 4y ago
  Beyond explaining what the author meant, and also the hype and hypotheticals which are rampant, this is a valid concern which I also share personally. This is more imminent than “AI overlords ruling us” and I am afraid the motivation behind creating this particular system, is to bring on the automation (the creators don’t even hide this). Therefore I think the point you are making is actually important too.

dist-epoch 4y ago

But he is saying "cars are not dangerous because they are made by humans". Nuclear weapons are also made by humans abilities.

geraneum 4y ago
It's not about the semantics of the sentence he said. This is obvious. He is pointing out a difference in nature of the attributes/properties of a human and a human creation. Not about something being more or less dangerous. He is trying to tell the resporter, or perhapes the reader, that they're asking the wrong question.
- dist-epoch 4y ago
  From article: > This idea of surpassing human ability is silly because it’s made of human abilities At some point in history we were just "chimp abilities", so the argument would become "it's silly to imagine that something made of chimp abilities could surpass chimp abilities".
  - pixl97 4y ago
    I'm with you on this. People in these chains seem to be looking at all the wrong metrics. Single-mode LLMs are made of human abilities, but we're already going to multi-modal, though with what I would call rather limited interconnections. What does a LLM that takes language and mixes that with sensor data from the real world? You're no longer talking about human abilities, you're going beyond that.
    - geraneum 4y ago
      This thread reminds me of that Big Bang Theory episode with the Super Man argument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5w4Qz6pVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5w4Qz6pVk I don't want to imply anything, just a moment of having fun. edit: wording

aiphex 4y ago

We don't say it because we don't care. Machines moving faster than a human runner have not posed a threat to any industry or jobs in our lifetime. It's a silly comparison. I bet you there was someone at one point who was unhappy that a machine was a better or faster welder than them though. At least that person may have had the opportunity to keep working at the factory alongside the welding machine, doing QA and repairs. Most knowledge workers will not get to switch to that kind of replacement job vis-à-vis AIs.

geraneum 4y ago
Beyond explaining what the author meant, and also the hype and hypotheticals which are rampant, this is a valid concern which I also share personally. This is more imminent than “AI overlords ruling us” and I am afraid the motivation behind creating this particular system, is to bring on the automation (the creators don’t even hide this). Therefore I think the point you are making is actually important too.