re "count both": It seems that many many YC startups have shown their work here, and they will swamp any others. From the title, I thought this would be about

re "count both": It seems that many many YC startups have shown their work here, and they will swamp any others. From the title, I thought this would be about projects that began as "Show HN" (not began as YC startups, and then showed HN), and I find that idea, of sideprojects that became something greater, intriguing.