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useEffect was designed to allow shooting yourself in the foot, in a good way. There's never a situation when react doesnt allow you to accomplish something - th

useEffect was designed to allow shooting yourself in the foot, in a good way. There's never a situation when react doesnt allow you to accomplish something - the page even a mentions of synchronising with jquery! Whats the alternative you propose? Not allowing react to be used with any 3rd party libraries or access to browser apis?

justusw 4y ago
Sorry for the disgruntled snark in advance: Heh, we already have that and it is called Elm. By me, an Elm user until 0.18.
- Kimitri 4y ago
  Yeah, it's a right pain to deal with non-Elm things in Elm (including JSON data sources). It's possible but you will want to avoid it. However, I think I'd still take Elm over React if I didn't have to care about anyone else but myself.
rawoke083600 4y ago
>useEffect was designed to allow shooting yourself in the foot, in a good way. Ok... no... there is no good way to shoot yourself in the foot (metaphorically or real) >There's never a situation when react doesnt allow you to do something That is EXACTLY what I DONT want from my framework:
- foldr 4y ago
  [allow shooting yourself in the foot] in a good way
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  >That is EXACTLY what I DONT want from my framework: Unless you're happy about never going out of the guardrails set by your framework, there's going to come a point where, one way or another, you're going to need to interact with something outside of it. Are you going to wait for an official React-WASM way to interact with WASM (which is going to be using useEffect under the hood anyways)? Frameworks with no escape hatches are hell. The escape hatch just needs to be bright, bold and with a warning on it that says "there can be demons behind that hatch, watch out".
  - nateabele 4y ago
    So, that's accurate, but doesn't correspond to the situation. At all. 'Escape hatches' are definitionally exceptions to the rules, whereas effects in React are standard practice.
    - ohgodplsno 4y ago
      Because React evolves in an ecosystem which is wide and varied. It's easy to be Elm and have no escape hatches when you make the language, the libraries, the standard library and the world. It's a bit harder when you have to interact with 30 years of crap.
MrPatan 4y ago
Yes

justusw 4y ago

Sorry for the disgruntled snark in advance: Heh, we already have that and it is called Elm. By me, an Elm user until 0.18.

Kimitri 4y ago
Yeah, it's a right pain to deal with non-Elm things in Elm (including JSON data sources). It's possible but you will want to avoid it. However, I think I'd still take Elm over React if I didn't have to care about anyone else but myself.

rawoke083600 4y ago

>useEffect was designed to allow shooting yourself in the foot, in a good way. Ok... no... there is no good way to shoot yourself in the foot (metaphorically or real) >There's never a situation when react doesnt allow you to do something That is EXACTLY what I DONT want from my framework:

foldr 4y ago
[allow shooting yourself in the foot] in a good way
ohgodplsno 4y ago
>That is EXACTLY what I DONT want from my framework: Unless you're happy about never going out of the guardrails set by your framework, there's going to come a point where, one way or another, you're going to need to interact with something outside of it. Are you going to wait for an official React-WASM way to interact with WASM (which is going to be using useEffect under the hood anyways)? Frameworks with no escape hatches are hell. The escape hatch just needs to be bright, bold and with a warning on it that says "there can be demons behind that hatch, watch out".
- nateabele 4y ago
  So, that's accurate, but doesn't correspond to the situation. At all. 'Escape hatches' are definitionally exceptions to the rules, whereas effects in React are standard practice.
  - ohgodplsno 4y ago
    Because React evolves in an ecosystem which is wide and varied. It's easy to be Elm and have no escape hatches when you make the language, the libraries, the standard library and the world. It's a bit harder when you have to interact with 30 years of crap.

MrPatan 4y ago

Yes