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The difference is SF has amazing weather, some of the best in the world. Detroit is a windy frozen wasteland 6 months of the year. I think they need to do a who

by doitLP 4y ago

The difference is SF has amazing weather, some of the best in the world. Detroit is a windy frozen wasteland 6 months of the year. I think they need to do a whole order of magnitude more self-destruction before they’ll really be able to keep people away.

ghaff 4y ago
That's a bit of an exaggeration but SF has both weather and easy access to a lot of natural beauty, hiking trails, and so forth. Detroit has a nice Riverwalk and I'm sure any locals can point to other local things of interest. I will say that I was at a tech event in Detroit in the fall. Things I would do (knowing what I do about the city even today) in SF at night without a second thought felt risky and many other attendees felt the same--and there were some safety incidents. It wasn't even so much the things that might make you feel unsafe in the Tenderloin. It's that if you were walking 1/2 mile to someplace it was just deserted.
- gtk40 4y ago
  I'm guessing you were at Kubecon as well. It was my first time in Detroit and overall thought the city was much nicer than expected. But to be fair, I mostly was just downtown during the day and we ended up staying in a suburb (Royal Oak) because all of the hotels within walking distance were booked by the time I registered for the conference. The drive between Royal Oak (adjacent to the city limits) and downtown Detroit had some areas that looked dilapidated or worse.
csomar 4y ago
> The difference is SF has amazing weather, some of the best in the world. Uhmm, I don't think I agree here. The Mediterranean has better weather all around. I like mid-west weather more if we are talking about US. SF is also very windy. Annoyingly windy. SF weather is "okay" but nowhere near the best. It does have great scenery nearby though.
- jjeaff 4y ago
  Notably, there is a lot of coastal area in southern California that shares the same climate zone as the Mediterranean.
- ksd482 4y ago
  Comparison is with rest of the US.
  - dehrmann 4y ago
    It has the best weather of any "real" city. San Jose and San Diego aren't "real" cities. Parts of LA get too hot. Florida is too humid. Redwood City is the obvious winner for weather, but it doesn't have sports teams, concerts, museums--big city amenities.
    - germinalphrase 4y ago
      "sports teams, concerts, museums--big city amenities" Which, arguably, was more important 50 years ago.
      - dehrmann 4y ago
        This isn't obvious to me. Why aren't these as important?
        germinalphrase 4y ago
        Because mass media allows us to replace experiences that previously required physical participation (if only going to a specific location) with consuming those experiences anywhere we want - a trend that is only expanding/intensifying.
        dehrmann 4y ago
        Watching a concert on Youtube or seeing a baseball game on TV are completely different than seeing them in person.
dangus 4y ago
Weather has almost nothing to do with Detroit's economic decline, though. Compare the population decline of Detroit with Milwaukee: https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/detroit-michigan https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/detroit-michigan https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/milwaukee-wisconsin https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/milwaukee-wisconsin
- kibwen 4y ago
  Note that, despite the relative decline, Detroit still has a higher absolute population than Milwaukee, which matters if we're to assume that (generally speaking) more population correlates with more potential economic activity (which may be a contentious statement in broad strokes, but these two cities are fairly comparable).
justapassenger 4y ago
> The difference is SF has amazing weather, some of the best in the world Correction - places near SF have amazing weather. SF itself - not that amazing.
- dehrmann 4y ago
  SF weather is sometimes amazing, occasionally miserable, but generally not bad.
hoseja 4y ago
That just means the homeless thrive.
jjav 4y ago
> The difference is SF has amazing weather, some of the best in the world. Did you mean the Bay Area, or SF? Most of the Bay Area has fairly nice weather year-round. San Francisco though, has pretty terrible weather. Foggy and cold most of the time.

by doitLP 4y ago

ghaff 4y ago

That's a bit of an exaggeration but SF has both weather and easy access to a lot of natural beauty, hiking trails, and so forth. Detroit has a nice Riverwalk and I'm sure any locals can point to other local things of interest. I will say that I was at a tech event in Detroit in the fall. Things I would do (knowing what I do about the city even today) in SF at night without a second thought felt risky and many other attendees felt the same--and there were some safety incidents. It wasn't even so much the things that might make you feel unsafe in the Tenderloin. It's that if you were walking 1/2 mile to someplace it was just deserted.

gtk40 4y ago
I'm guessing you were at Kubecon as well. It was my first time in Detroit and overall thought the city was much nicer than expected. But to be fair, I mostly was just downtown during the day and we ended up staying in a suburb (Royal Oak) because all of the hotels within walking distance were booked by the time I registered for the conference. The drive between Royal Oak (adjacent to the city limits) and downtown Detroit had some areas that looked dilapidated or worse.

csomar 4y ago

> The difference is SF has amazing weather, some of the best in the world. Uhmm, I don't think I agree here. The Mediterranean has better weather all around. I like mid-west weather more if we are talking about US. SF is also very windy. Annoyingly windy. SF weather is "okay" but nowhere near the best. It does have great scenery nearby though.

jjeaff 4y ago
Notably, there is a lot of coastal area in southern California that shares the same climate zone as the Mediterranean.
ksd482 4y ago
Comparison is with rest of the US.
- dehrmann 4y ago
  It has the best weather of any "real" city. San Jose and San Diego aren't "real" cities. Parts of LA get too hot. Florida is too humid. Redwood City is the obvious winner for weather, but it doesn't have sports teams, concerts, museums--big city amenities.
  - germinalphrase 4y ago
    "sports teams, concerts, museums--big city amenities" Which, arguably, was more important 50 years ago.
    - dehrmann 4y ago
      This isn't obvious to me. Why aren't these as important?
      - germinalphrase 4y ago
        Because mass media allows us to replace experiences that previously required physical participation (if only going to a specific location) with consuming those experiences anywhere we want - a trend that is only expanding/intensifying.
        dehrmann 4y ago
        Watching a concert on Youtube or seeing a baseball game on TV are completely different than seeing them in person.

dangus 4y ago

Weather has almost nothing to do with Detroit's economic decline, though. Compare the population decline of Detroit with Milwaukee: https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/detroit-michigan https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/detroit-michigan https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/milwaukee-wisconsin https://www.biggestuscities.com/city/milwaukee-wisconsin

kibwen 4y ago
Note that, despite the relative decline, Detroit still has a higher absolute population than Milwaukee, which matters if we're to assume that (generally speaking) more population correlates with more potential economic activity (which may be a contentious statement in broad strokes, but these two cities are fairly comparable).

justapassenger 4y ago

> The difference is SF has amazing weather, some of the best in the world Correction - places near SF have amazing weather. SF itself - not that amazing.

dehrmann 4y ago
SF weather is sometimes amazing, occasionally miserable, but generally not bad.

hoseja 4y ago

That just means the homeless thrive.

jjav 4y ago

> The difference is SF has amazing weather, some of the best in the world. Did you mean the Bay Area, or SF? Most of the Bay Area has fairly nice weather year-round. San Francisco though, has pretty terrible weather. Foggy and cold most of the time.