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Do you know how Ubuntu has managed to increase its share? Focusing on enterprise and server use cases. Exactly what I'm suggesting Mozilla does.

rglullis 4y ago
You missed one key detail: Canonical never depended on Microsoft's money to operate. Mozilla does depend on Google's money for everything, including the R&D resources that would be required for them to develop the use cases that you are suggesting.
- insanitybit 4y ago
  They just spent 30M dollars on this AI thing lol it wouldn't cost 20% of that to do what I'm saying
  - rglullis 4y ago
    First, speaking from experience of someone who worked in a (failed) project that wanted to build a "Enterprise version of ChromeOS", based on Firefox and Linux: I love this naive confidence to predict how much it would cost to bring a whole new lot of features to a product (Firefox/Gecko) that is known for being extremely difficult to refactor. Second, You really don't get it, do you? They will not spend money on anything that might actually threaten Google's dominance. They get 30M to play with AI is because they don't get to spend anything on making Firefox a strong alternative for Chrome. If they did, Google will take all their money away and then it's game over for them.
    - hizanberg 4y ago
      That’s categorically false, their revenue is tied to their userbase, if they were more popular Google would cut them a larger check like they do for Safari.
      - rglullis 4y ago
        According to a contract, which can be renegotiated or simply not renewed. Google does not pay Apple for "access to the user base". Google pays Apple so that Apple does not try to get into the search engine space and compete with Google. They also pay Mozilla as a way to keep controlled opposition and a (relatively) inexpensive way of avoid threats of lawsuits like the one that MS had in the past. But they don't need to. If Mozilla for any reason decided to stop conforming to this game and went on to actually fight against Google, Google would drop them in a heartbeat. And who would Mozilla go for, Bing? DDG?
    - insanitybit 4y ago
      If you think it costs 30 million dollars to write a blessed extension that implements the Endpoint Verification logic... lol > If they did, Google will take all their money away and then it's game over for them. Because of the position they put themselves in. Also you underestimate how much cash they have.
      - rglullis 4y ago
        In terms of ROI: How much do you think they would get in market share if they implemented it?

rglullis 4y ago

You missed one key detail: Canonical never depended on Microsoft's money to operate. Mozilla does depend on Google's money for everything, including the R&D resources that would be required for them to develop the use cases that you are suggesting.

insanitybit 4y ago
They just spent 30M dollars on this AI thing lol it wouldn't cost 20% of that to do what I'm saying
- rglullis 4y ago
  First, speaking from experience of someone who worked in a (failed) project that wanted to build a "Enterprise version of ChromeOS", based on Firefox and Linux: I love this naive confidence to predict how much it would cost to bring a whole new lot of features to a product (Firefox/Gecko) that is known for being extremely difficult to refactor. Second, You really don't get it, do you? They will not spend money on anything that might actually threaten Google's dominance. They get 30M to play with AI is because they don't get to spend anything on making Firefox a strong alternative for Chrome. If they did, Google will take all their money away and then it's game over for them.
  - hizanberg 4y ago
    That’s categorically false, their revenue is tied to their userbase, if they were more popular Google would cut them a larger check like they do for Safari.
    - rglullis 4y ago
      According to a contract, which can be renegotiated or simply not renewed. Google does not pay Apple for "access to the user base". Google pays Apple so that Apple does not try to get into the search engine space and compete with Google. They also pay Mozilla as a way to keep controlled opposition and a (relatively) inexpensive way of avoid threats of lawsuits like the one that MS had in the past. But they don't need to. If Mozilla for any reason decided to stop conforming to this game and went on to actually fight against Google, Google would drop them in a heartbeat. And who would Mozilla go for, Bing? DDG?
  - insanitybit 4y ago
    If you think it costs 30 million dollars to write a blessed extension that implements the Endpoint Verification logic... lol > If they did, Google will take all their money away and then it's game over for them. Because of the position they put themselves in. Also you underestimate how much cash they have.
    - rglullis 4y ago
      In terms of ROI: How much do you think they would get in market share if they implemented it?