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I would happily pay $20 or $30 for a version of this, but I will absolutely not pay a subscription fee for extra features. I have too many subscriptions... I w

I would happily pay $20 or $30 for a version of this, but I will absolutely not pay a subscription fee for extra features. I have too many subscriptions... I want to support this developer but not this way. Uninstalling :(

viewtransform 4y ago
How much is the subscription fee ? - it is not mentioned on their site.
- simple10 4y ago
  Subscription is $13.49/yr or $1.49/mo for mini according to Mac Store page.
  - lockhouse 4y ago
    In all fairness, you can't even buy a cup of black coffee from a 7-Eleven for that much.
    - latexr 4y ago
      Please let’s stop comparing software subscriptions to coffee. It misses the point about the recurring cost and lock in, and not everyone lives in the USA and pays high prices for coffee every day (or ever). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32738791 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32738791
      - lockhouse 4y ago
        I don't like subscriptions either, but what is the sustainable alternative income source for app developers?
        stanmancan 4y ago
        I like Jetbrains licensing. Essentially you pay for updates and once you stop paying you’re locked in at that specific version, but you can use it indefinitely.
        Jcowell 4y ago
        How does support work for this? Are non-paying customers no longer eligible for support? App wise would this lock features since developers would have no means of shipping X versions of an app I wonder , once the EU opens up the App Store will devs have to deal with cracked apps. Probably the full end of offline apps
        throwaway2037 4y ago
        Are non-paying customers no longer eligible for support? Yeah, basically. "If you pay nothing, you get nothing." The last paragraph is brilliant foresight. I guess apps will need to move towards the AAA gaming market where Internet connection is required to verify license, plus a bunch amazing anti-cheat/-hack stuff. Assuming EU does crack open the app stores (pun intended), it sounds like a great small business to offer some libraries that mobile app devs can use for these new needs.
        manuelmoreale 4y ago
        Honest question, and I'm asking because I want to know your take, not because I'm trying to be a dick: why should an app developer have a sustainable income stream from a single app no matter what? Isn't it possible that an app is simple enough that doesn't justify getting a full salary out of it? Again, I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm just trying to figure out what is the reasoning behind the subscription model. I'm a freelance web developer. When I'm done with a project I have to move to something else. Is it unreasonable to expect app developers to do the same? And I know, not all apps are created equal, some apps require constant work. I get that. For some apps is reasonable to expect a subscription. But for all apps? I'd say no. And this developer, from what I can see, is doing the "right thing" by working on multiple products. Which is great.
      - daveidol 4y ago
        But if the developers live in the USA then they are paying high prices for coffee, and thus require a commensurate level of return on their work to survive.
        synecdoche 4y ago
        I fall to see the connection. The product is directed to an international market. Besides, is coffee cup subscriptions common to merit the comparison?
      - avinassh 4y ago
        +1. I live in India, coffee costs me 10 INR that is 0.12 USD.
    - lamnk 4y ago
      yes, the price is cheap, but the number subscriptions and the total sum of them add up very quickly.
      - drclau 4y ago
        Not disagreeing with you here, but buying full licenses adds up too. And you will likely have to buy "upgrade" licenses when new versions are released. That being said, I do like the license model that JetBrains uses for their products: if you pay for the subscription for more than 12mo, when you stop, you get to keep a perpetual license for the latest version that was released during the last 12 months of paid subscription (I hope I got it right).
    - kybernetyk 4y ago
      In all fairess, you don't go out every morning to buy three dozens of cups of coffee. Currently everyone and their mother want to sell you a subscription. Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Spotify, $NUM of app developers, Disney, $FORMER_TV_STATIONS That's the problem with subscriptions. They pile up.
    - the_player 4y ago
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- mackopes 4y ago
  In the UK it's £12.49 per year or £1.29 per month
Zetice 4y ago
It's so cheap, why do you care?
- hh3k0 4y ago
  Why wouldn't he care? Keeping track of all the subscriptions "forced" upon you is a huge pain in the ass these days – and seemingly getting worse. Personally, I refuse to use subscription services out of principle. I much prefer to pay once and have it off my mind.
  - tenpies 4y ago
    For only $400 per decade, I will handle your Little Snitch Mini subscription. Longer licensing agreements are also available. ;)
    - L3viathan 4y ago
      > per decade So you're selling a more expensive subscription?
  - Zetice 4y ago
    Wouldn't a saner way to live be to judge the value you get out of something to determine how much you're willing to pay for its use? Just seems needlessly limiting to act like this out of principle.
    - hh3k0 4y ago
      As far as I am concerned, subscriptions are an unreasonable hassle. You need to keep track of what subscriptions are active and where you can manage them. And when subscriptions are running, a “did I remember cancelling all the stuff I’m currently not using” is always in the back of my mind somewhere. That’s just annoying noise that I can easily avoid by not using subscription services.
      - Zetice 4y ago
micromacrofoot 4y ago
software is ongoing though, the subscription model makes more sense if you want ongoing maintenance
- deely3 4y ago
  profits mainly. some software managed to work just fine for years with one time buy..
  - raydev 4y ago
    You don't understand how modern macOS works.
  - qup 4y ago
    Much software still works like that, for free. The software that can't be released free often has users that require features that need constant maintenance. API integrations, for instance. These features aren't really optional anymore to be competitive.
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    Yeah some, and a lot of the time you'd be running it with gaping security holes. There's no way little snitch can keep on top of OS and network updates without a decent amount of ongoing maintenance.
keyle 4y ago
It's surreal, to pay for the internet on a monthly basis, ... and then pay for parts of your computer to NOT talk to the internet on a monthly basis!
berdon 4y ago
If you buy directly and not from the app store it isn't subscription: https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/order.html https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/order.html
- resoluteteeth 4y ago
  Isn't that a different product? This thread is about Little Snitch Mini

viewtransform 4y ago

How much is the subscription fee ? - it is not mentioned on their site.

simple10 4y ago
Subscription is $13.49/yr or $1.49/mo for mini according to Mac Store page.
- lockhouse 4y ago
  In all fairness, you can't even buy a cup of black coffee from a 7-Eleven for that much.
  - latexr 4y ago
    Please let’s stop comparing software subscriptions to coffee. It misses the point about the recurring cost and lock in, and not everyone lives in the USA and pays high prices for coffee every day (or ever). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32738791 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32738791
    - lockhouse 4y ago
      I don't like subscriptions either, but what is the sustainable alternative income source for app developers?
      - stanmancan 4y ago
        I like Jetbrains licensing. Essentially you pay for updates and once you stop paying you’re locked in at that specific version, but you can use it indefinitely.
        Jcowell 4y ago
        How does support work for this? Are non-paying customers no longer eligible for support? App wise would this lock features since developers would have no means of shipping X versions of an app I wonder , once the EU opens up the App Store will devs have to deal with cracked apps. Probably the full end of offline apps
        throwaway2037 4y ago
        Are non-paying customers no longer eligible for support? Yeah, basically. "If you pay nothing, you get nothing." The last paragraph is brilliant foresight. I guess apps will need to move towards the AAA gaming market where Internet connection is required to verify license, plus a bunch amazing anti-cheat/-hack stuff. Assuming EU does crack open the app stores (pun intended), it sounds like a great small business to offer some libraries that mobile app devs can use for these new needs.
      - manuelmoreale 4y ago
        Honest question, and I'm asking because I want to know your take, not because I'm trying to be a dick: why should an app developer have a sustainable income stream from a single app no matter what? Isn't it possible that an app is simple enough that doesn't justify getting a full salary out of it? Again, I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm just trying to figure out what is the reasoning behind the subscription model. I'm a freelance web developer. When I'm done with a project I have to move to something else. Is it unreasonable to expect app developers to do the same? And I know, not all apps are created equal, some apps require constant work. I get that. For some apps is reasonable to expect a subscription. But for all apps? I'd say no. And this developer, from what I can see, is doing the "right thing" by working on multiple products. Which is great.
    - daveidol 4y ago
      But if the developers live in the USA then they are paying high prices for coffee, and thus require a commensurate level of return on their work to survive.
      - synecdoche 4y ago
        I fall to see the connection. The product is directed to an international market. Besides, is coffee cup subscriptions common to merit the comparison?
    - avinassh 4y ago
      +1. I live in India, coffee costs me 10 INR that is 0.12 USD.
  - lamnk 4y ago
    yes, the price is cheap, but the number subscriptions and the total sum of them add up very quickly.
    - drclau 4y ago
      Not disagreeing with you here, but buying full licenses adds up too. And you will likely have to buy "upgrade" licenses when new versions are released. That being said, I do like the license model that JetBrains uses for their products: if you pay for the subscription for more than 12mo, when you stop, you get to keep a perpetual license for the latest version that was released during the last 12 months of paid subscription (I hope I got it right).
  - kybernetyk 4y ago
    In all fairess, you don't go out every morning to buy three dozens of cups of coffee. Currently everyone and their mother want to sell you a subscription. Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Spotify, $NUM of app developers, Disney, $FORMER_TV_STATIONS That's the problem with subscriptions. They pile up.
  - the_player 4y ago
    [dead]
mackopes 4y ago
In the UK it's £12.49 per year or £1.29 per month

Zetice 4y ago

It's so cheap, why do you care?

hh3k0 4y ago
Why wouldn't he care? Keeping track of all the subscriptions "forced" upon you is a huge pain in the ass these days – and seemingly getting worse. Personally, I refuse to use subscription services out of principle. I much prefer to pay once and have it off my mind.
- tenpies 4y ago
  For only $400 per decade, I will handle your Little Snitch Mini subscription. Longer licensing agreements are also available. ;)
  - L3viathan 4y ago
    > per decade So you're selling a more expensive subscription?
- Zetice 4y ago
  Wouldn't a saner way to live be to judge the value you get out of something to determine how much you're willing to pay for its use? Just seems needlessly limiting to act like this out of principle.
  - hh3k0 4y ago
    As far as I am concerned, subscriptions are an unreasonable hassle. You need to keep track of what subscriptions are active and where you can manage them. And when subscriptions are running, a “did I remember cancelling all the stuff I’m currently not using” is always in the back of my mind somewhere. That’s just annoying noise that I can easily avoid by not using subscription services.
    - Zetice 4y ago

micromacrofoot 4y ago

software is ongoing though, the subscription model makes more sense if you want ongoing maintenance

deely3 4y ago
profits mainly. some software managed to work just fine for years with one time buy..
- raydev 4y ago
  You don't understand how modern macOS works.
- qup 4y ago
  Much software still works like that, for free. The software that can't be released free often has users that require features that need constant maintenance. API integrations, for instance. These features aren't really optional anymore to be competitive.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  Yeah some, and a lot of the time you'd be running it with gaping security holes. There's no way little snitch can keep on top of OS and network updates without a decent amount of ongoing maintenance.

keyle 4y ago

It's surreal, to pay for the internet on a monthly basis, ... and then pay for parts of your computer to NOT talk to the internet on a monthly basis!

berdon 4y ago

If you buy directly and not from the app store it isn't subscription: https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/order.html https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/order.html

resoluteteeth 4y ago
Isn't that a different product? This thread is about Little Snitch Mini