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It does seem like they just moved all of their infra components, and got rid of autoscaling. Load balancing, logging, and other associated components are all s

It does seem like they just moved all of their infra components, and got rid of autoscaling. Load balancing, logging, and other associated components are all still there. Almost nothing changed in the actual architecture, just how it was hosted. I have a hard time seeing why this was beneficial.

slackfan 4y ago
Cost, mostly.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  You reckon they cannot afford running some vms for the k8s control plane?
  - nacs 4y ago
    They say they will save $7 million over 5 years with this migration. Sounds worth it to me. https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-years-from-our-cloud-exit-53996caa https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-year...
    - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
      That answers my question, they can afford it if they wanted to. Obviously they don't want to. I'm in their camp when it comes to the cloud vs own hardware.
    - gtirloni 4y ago
      How much will the many extra employees they will need cost them in 5 years?
      - djur 4y ago
        Even if they had to hire two or three people to work on this full time (they won't) it'd still be a massive savings.
        Melingo 4y ago
        Depends on the quality and hr overhead. Oncall, new features, security etc. No small it department I worked with, was anywhere close to the features and quality of Google and co.
      - DangitBobby 4y ago
        Maybe they'd rather pay coworkers than a giant tech company.
        ozim 4y ago
        If I were small/mid company owner that would be perfectly good reason. Which seems to be also the case for Basecamp/37signals.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - mr_ndrsn 4y ago
        Zero, which is why we're not using k8s on-prem. Our team is already handling the on-prem hardware/software environment, and this will consolidate our apps on a single platform methodology, allowing us to keep the same team size. Using mrsk allows us reduce the complexity of our servers, moving that into the Dockerfile. If we had gone down the k8s on-prem rabbit-hole, I suspect we would have required more folks to manage those components and complexity.
        llama052 4y ago
        I don't understand how having k8s means you need significantly more people. It's just concepts put into a strict system. Now you're just shimming the same concepts with less supported hacks. Now you have to train your team on less used technology that isn't transferable to other roles. Sounds like technical debt to me.
        gtirloni 4y ago
        We're arguing about generic approaches and the 37Signals folks are making specific decisions about their very specific situation (their app, their staff having time or not, their budget, etc). To be fair, they don't seem to be saying their strategy is for everybody but the audience thinks so? I think we're talking past each other, tbh.
        Melingo 4y ago
        For me it's still the 'nor getting what issue they had with k8s'. And I would love to spend a few days with there team to understand it.
    - jeron 4y ago
      wow, TIL the founder of RoR races LMP2 in Le Mans he may have just become my new hero
- jrockway 4y ago
  Those k8s license fees will get ya.

slackfan 4y ago

Cost, mostly.

rad_gruchalski 4y ago
You reckon they cannot afford running some vms for the k8s control plane?
- nacs 4y ago
  They say they will save $7 million over 5 years with this migration. Sounds worth it to me. https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-years-from-our-cloud-exit-53996caa https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-year...
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    That answers my question, they can afford it if they wanted to. Obviously they don't want to. I'm in their camp when it comes to the cloud vs own hardware.
  - gtirloni 4y ago
    How much will the many extra employees they will need cost them in 5 years?
    - djur 4y ago
      Even if they had to hire two or three people to work on this full time (they won't) it'd still be a massive savings.
      - Melingo 4y ago
        Depends on the quality and hr overhead. Oncall, new features, security etc. No small it department I worked with, was anywhere close to the features and quality of Google and co.
    - DangitBobby 4y ago
      Maybe they'd rather pay coworkers than a giant tech company.
      - ozim 4y ago
        If I were small/mid company owner that would be perfectly good reason. Which seems to be also the case for Basecamp/37signals.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - mr_ndrsn 4y ago
      Zero, which is why we're not using k8s on-prem. Our team is already handling the on-prem hardware/software environment, and this will consolidate our apps on a single platform methodology, allowing us to keep the same team size. Using mrsk allows us reduce the complexity of our servers, moving that into the Dockerfile. If we had gone down the k8s on-prem rabbit-hole, I suspect we would have required more folks to manage those components and complexity.
      - llama052 4y ago
        I don't understand how having k8s means you need significantly more people. It's just concepts put into a strict system. Now you're just shimming the same concepts with less supported hacks. Now you have to train your team on less used technology that isn't transferable to other roles. Sounds like technical debt to me.
        gtirloni 4y ago
        We're arguing about generic approaches and the 37Signals folks are making specific decisions about their very specific situation (their app, their staff having time or not, their budget, etc). To be fair, they don't seem to be saying their strategy is for everybody but the audience thinks so? I think we're talking past each other, tbh.
        Melingo 4y ago
        For me it's still the 'nor getting what issue they had with k8s'. And I would love to spend a few days with there team to understand it.
  - jeron 4y ago
    wow, TIL the founder of RoR races LMP2 in Le Mans he may have just become my new hero
jrockway 4y ago
Those k8s license fees will get ya.