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Discord is yet another walled garden to be fair. It might be good replacement for some little, private communities. But also large communities are moving into

by nicce 4y ago

Discord is yet another walled garden to be fair. It might be good replacement for some little, private communities. But also large communities are moving into Discord instead of using some public, index-able and findable platforms. They used to be public in the past and people very able to read information about them without going process for creating account, acceptance or even finding whole community. Discord is terrible for storing long term information in text form. People try to keep some pinned posts but no.. information disappears, when in comparison for forums it was there. And let's not start with privacy.

moffkalast 4y ago
> information disappears Wait really? I've never seen that happen on Discord, I can still see messages from over half a decade ago. Why would they delete data they mine? Slack on the other hand deletes everything immediately if you're not on the paid plan of course.
- veb 4y ago
  Not _immediately_ I think it's after 10,000 messages they start to remove some.
  - anticensor 4y ago
    That 10k messages amount to less than a day in a highly active business.
- nicce 4y ago
  > information disappears Main point was that you can't access or view it without creating the account at first, or even being able to find the whole server. You might even need to give phone number before you can view anything. Then wait 30min to verify that you are not a bot. And all this to find a solution for a problem which you might never return to. The search in Discord is kinda terrible. Also, if you are couple days or even hours late for the discussion, it might be too late to take part or continue it in large communities. Discord lives in the moment, it is not a place to store information. On the other hand, on forums, it is not a problem to continue some discussion couple days later. The quality is often much much higher.
  - moffkalast 4y ago
    Not sure what you mean, you just need one account for all of Discord, joining a new server is just one click away. Or do you make a new account for each server? That seems unreasonably hard to keep track of. I guess the search could be better but I've never really had too many problems with it and I've seen far far worse implementations. Such as Rocket Chat which has completely broken search. Literally never returns anything. But yes chat is chat, you can't compare it to a forum style board because they're not trying to do the same thing. You do typically need both a Discourse and a chat server for any major organization.
gonehome 4y ago
+1 I’m hoping urbit can provide a solution to this, but it’s still not at the quality bar I want (though I think there’s a path to get it there).

by nicce 4y ago

moffkalast 4y ago

> information disappears Wait really? I've never seen that happen on Discord, I can still see messages from over half a decade ago. Why would they delete data they mine? Slack on the other hand deletes everything immediately if you're not on the paid plan of course.

veb 4y ago
Not _immediately_ I think it's after 10,000 messages they start to remove some.
- anticensor 4y ago
  That 10k messages amount to less than a day in a highly active business.
nicce 4y ago
> information disappears Main point was that you can't access or view it without creating the account at first, or even being able to find the whole server. You might even need to give phone number before you can view anything. Then wait 30min to verify that you are not a bot. And all this to find a solution for a problem which you might never return to. The search in Discord is kinda terrible. Also, if you are couple days or even hours late for the discussion, it might be too late to take part or continue it in large communities. Discord lives in the moment, it is not a place to store information. On the other hand, on forums, it is not a problem to continue some discussion couple days later. The quality is often much much higher.
- moffkalast 4y ago
  Not sure what you mean, you just need one account for all of Discord, joining a new server is just one click away. Or do you make a new account for each server? That seems unreasonably hard to keep track of. I guess the search could be better but I've never really had too many problems with it and I've seen far far worse implementations. Such as Rocket Chat which has completely broken search. Literally never returns anything. But yes chat is chat, you can't compare it to a forum style board because they're not trying to do the same thing. You do typically need both a Discourse and a chat server for any major organization.

gonehome 4y ago

+1 I’m hoping urbit can provide a solution to this, but it’s still not at the quality bar I want (though I think there’s a path to get it there).