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1. Is completely wrong. We have vastly grown the bottom end of the skills market by automating jobs to levels so simple that anyone can do it. They are bad jobs

1. Is completely wrong. We have vastly grown the bottom end of the skills market by automating jobs to levels so simple that anyone can do it. They are bad jobs. But there are many of them. The problem is that we have people with normal IQs doing these jobs too, because there is not enough jobs above them.

DoneWithAllThat 4y ago
You’re arguing in March of 2023 that the issue is a lack of jobs?
- klyrs 4y ago
  I'd summarize their comment as "the issue is a lack of skilled jobs."
- meh8881 4y ago
  The ratio of skilled : unskilled jobs. As well as the general decline in what constitutes a skilled job.
Hermitian909 4y ago
People with these IQs under 85 are generally not employable in some of the lowest end jobs available: warehouseman, packer, or package delivery. I'm not sure what jobs you're imagining that are simpler than those, but I think I'm going to agree with the data on this point.
- meh8881 4y ago
  You think 15% of the population is too dumb to deliver packages? More than 1 in 10 people is not smart enough to pack things?
  - Hermitian909 4y ago
    I think the framing here has to be very careful: I agree with the general psychometric data that ~15% of struggle to get or keep a job delivering packages or packing things. This is not the same as packing something or delivering a package. Jobs require a certain speed of execution, ability to adapt to changing conditions, low rate of mistake, and a maximum training time. Remember, even the army during war time, which requires people fulfilling botho f these services won't hire people with such a low IQ.
    - meh8881 4y ago
      Alright this one annoyed me enough to look it up. First of all Peterson’s claim is 83, not 85. Second, The military does not test IQ. It has a different test with a decent correlation. This test scores in percentiles however. And the bottom 10% are not allowed in. This is not the same thing as 10% of all people cannot get in, as those taking the military test are probably a lower IQ subset on average. Probably not by much. I would guess the military is current cutting off the bottom 8-10% of the population. I can’t find much in the way of hard stats but I still feel pretty strongly that a 10th percentile individual is more than well equipped to be a delivery driver of a warehouse worker or whatever.

DoneWithAllThat 4y ago

You’re arguing in March of 2023 that the issue is a lack of jobs?

klyrs 4y ago
I'd summarize their comment as "the issue is a lack of skilled jobs."
meh8881 4y ago
The ratio of skilled : unskilled jobs. As well as the general decline in what constitutes a skilled job.

Hermitian909 4y ago

People with these IQs under 85 are generally not employable in some of the lowest end jobs available: warehouseman, packer, or package delivery. I'm not sure what jobs you're imagining that are simpler than those, but I think I'm going to agree with the data on this point.

meh8881 4y ago
You think 15% of the population is too dumb to deliver packages? More than 1 in 10 people is not smart enough to pack things?
- Hermitian909 4y ago
  I think the framing here has to be very careful: I agree with the general psychometric data that ~15% of struggle to get or keep a job delivering packages or packing things. This is not the same as packing something or delivering a package. Jobs require a certain speed of execution, ability to adapt to changing conditions, low rate of mistake, and a maximum training time. Remember, even the army during war time, which requires people fulfilling botho f these services won't hire people with such a low IQ.
  - meh8881 4y ago
    Alright this one annoyed me enough to look it up. First of all Peterson’s claim is 83, not 85. Second, The military does not test IQ. It has a different test with a decent correlation. This test scores in percentiles however. And the bottom 10% are not allowed in. This is not the same thing as 10% of all people cannot get in, as those taking the military test are probably a lower IQ subset on average. Probably not by much. I would guess the military is current cutting off the bottom 8-10% of the population. I can’t find much in the way of hard stats but I still feel pretty strongly that a 10th percentile individual is more than well equipped to be a delivery driver of a warehouse worker or whatever.