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What is civilized except the ability to create a civilization that is most perfect and worth living in? Civilized doesn't mean "meek" or "long-suffering", cons

What is civilized except the ability to create a civilization that is most perfect and worth living in? Civilized doesn't mean "meek" or "long-suffering", consequently it isn't civilized to tolerate behavior unbecoming to living in a good civilization (aka uncivilized behavior). A more civilized society doesn't suffer people who impose on others, or who put themselves first at the cost of others. A more civilized society is one where people don't cut others in line in the first place, either because they have the decency not to, or because they know they'll pay consequences if they do.

isk517 4y ago
Exactly, but at our current point of civilization we don't really have many options to deal with people that break minor social norms. The person the author of the article was speaking of has realized that if they hold their ground until for anything allow physical violence they can get away with a lot because civilized people realize getting into fist fights over mild offenses is detrimental in the long run. If a politician ran on a campaign to change laws and setup law enforcement to deal with these people any sane individual would wonder why focus on this instead any number of more important issues. If civilization continues to progress I feel like eventually we will get to the point where 'jerks being jerks' is the biggest thing effecting our quality of life.
- isk517 4y ago
  The other issue of course, is how do you de-jerkify your civilization without accidentally turning it into a dystopia.
- eternityforest 4y ago
  It works both ways, the jerks also know it's not worth making a scene in public and maybe even getting kicked full strength in the balls if they escalate too much. They'll go to the back of the line with a simple "The line starts over there", as long as you're willing to fight in the small number of cases they're so insane they would in fact have a full on brawl at Target over a line.

isk517 4y ago

Exactly, but at our current point of civilization we don't really have many options to deal with people that break minor social norms. The person the author of the article was speaking of has realized that if they hold their ground until for anything allow physical violence they can get away with a lot because civilized people realize getting into fist fights over mild offenses is detrimental in the long run. If a politician ran on a campaign to change laws and setup law enforcement to deal with these people any sane individual would wonder why focus on this instead any number of more important issues. If civilization continues to progress I feel like eventually we will get to the point where 'jerks being jerks' is the biggest thing effecting our quality of life.

isk517 4y ago
The other issue of course, is how do you de-jerkify your civilization without accidentally turning it into a dystopia.
eternityforest 4y ago
It works both ways, the jerks also know it's not worth making a scene in public and maybe even getting kicked full strength in the balls if they escalate too much. They'll go to the back of the line with a simple "The line starts over there", as long as you're willing to fight in the small number of cases they're so insane they would in fact have a full on brawl at Target over a line.