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Slack sucks, but if you compare it with Teams, it is still gold. If anyone asks me, whether I wulould rather join a voice chat on Slack or Teams, the answer is

Slack sucks, but if you compare it with Teams, it is still gold. If anyone asks me, whether I wulould rather join a voice chat on Slack or Teams, the answer is 100% of the time Slack. You never know what bugs Teams will cook up this time to ruin your call. O365 is a child's toy for non-professional document creation. Quickly hacking a document together maybe. Any normal non-web office suite blows O365 out of the water in terms of creating maintainable non-directly formatted documents. Now that they are deprecating offline Office (I think last release 2017 or so) their office suite has gone downhill at alarming speed. VS Codium is OKish, and has some cool features, but ultimately does not get close to what I have in Emacs in most aspects that actually matter, so that's not a convincing offer either. Their software is OK at best and rubbish in the average. And don't even get me started on Windows itself.

mynameisash 4y ago
A quick search turns up Office 2021[0], and I see no indication that offline Office is being discontinued. And claiming that O365 is a toy? Literally the only other online office suite I've used or heard of is GDocs, which has a fraction of the functionality that I use from O365. Your post doesn't sound serious at all to me. [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/office-professional-2021/cfq7ttc0hhj9?activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/office-profe...
- gonehome 4y ago
  It was clear to me when they mentioned Emacs that their opinion on this can just be ignored. That isn't to say Emacs isn't a great thing for a certain niche, but it's just not something that matters in this kind of strategic product discussion (and thinking it's comparable is just a signal it's not worth engaging imo). There are many reasons why VSCode is dominant and emacs isn't, similarly there are many reasons slack failed to compete (even after taking out a full page ad pretending to be apple before suing Microsoft). If you're going to pretend to be apple, you better be as good. If you're going to mock competition you better hope you're apple and not netscape [0][1]. I too think Slack is a great product, but that's not enough. Slack needed to expand into a more competitive offering and they failed to do that. [0]: https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/browser-wars/ https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/browser-wars/ [1]: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/slack-microsoft-open-letter_n_581a0e66e4b01f610e396815 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/slack-microsoft-open-letter_n...
- zelphirkalt 4y ago
  GDocs is a toy as well. Maybe worse than O365. If you only know those two, then I can understand your opinion. Try using offline office suites, best not MS Office, and use their writing tool. So many things are missing in these online office suites. I assure you the post is serious and I have used multiple online and offline office suites. Perhaps you should explore more and make use of styles and all that. You will quickly notice how many things are missing in the online office suites.
Kwpolska 4y ago
Desktop Office apps are still available, fully supported, and fully functional. Office 2021 is the latest buy-once release, but Microsoft 365 subscribers get all the desktop apps with their subscription (and they get continuous updates). The web apps are separate and have their limitations. Microsoft 365 subscribers get to choose between the two. Non-subscribers get only the web version with some features removed.

mynameisash 4y ago

A quick search turns up Office 2021[0], and I see no indication that offline Office is being discontinued. And claiming that O365 is a toy? Literally the only other online office suite I've used or heard of is GDocs, which has a fraction of the functionality that I use from O365. Your post doesn't sound serious at all to me. [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/office-professional-2021/cfq7ttc0hhj9?activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/p/office-profe...

gonehome 4y ago
It was clear to me when they mentioned Emacs that their opinion on this can just be ignored. That isn't to say Emacs isn't a great thing for a certain niche, but it's just not something that matters in this kind of strategic product discussion (and thinking it's comparable is just a signal it's not worth engaging imo). There are many reasons why VSCode is dominant and emacs isn't, similarly there are many reasons slack failed to compete (even after taking out a full page ad pretending to be apple before suing Microsoft). If you're going to pretend to be apple, you better be as good. If you're going to mock competition you better hope you're apple and not netscape [0][1]. I too think Slack is a great product, but that's not enough. Slack needed to expand into a more competitive offering and they failed to do that. [0]: https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/browser-wars/ https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/browser-wars/ [1]: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/slack-microsoft-open-letter_n_581a0e66e4b01f610e396815 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/slack-microsoft-open-letter_n...
zelphirkalt 4y ago
GDocs is a toy as well. Maybe worse than O365. If you only know those two, then I can understand your opinion. Try using offline office suites, best not MS Office, and use their writing tool. So many things are missing in these online office suites. I assure you the post is serious and I have used multiple online and offline office suites. Perhaps you should explore more and make use of styles and all that. You will quickly notice how many things are missing in the online office suites.

Kwpolska 4y ago

Desktop Office apps are still available, fully supported, and fully functional. Office 2021 is the latest buy-once release, but Microsoft 365 subscribers get all the desktop apps with their subscription (and they get continuous updates). The web apps are separate and have their limitations. Microsoft 365 subscribers get to choose between the two. Non-subscribers get only the web version with some features removed.