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Ugandan MPs pass bill imposing death penalty for homosexuality

34 points by heavyset_go 4y ago

31337Logic 4y ago
Wow. What fucking century are we living in here?
- pfannkuchen 4y ago
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  - 31337Logic 4y ago
    Is it just "those in the west" who hold these "certain moral principals"? Get off your high horse.
    - pfannkuchen 4y ago
      What high horse? I live in the West, and I subscribe to modern Western values. I don’t think homosexuality should be punished in any way, here where I live. But what makes that belief universal? Pushing it on people with completely different cultural contexts and historical backgrounds is no different from what “enlightened” Europeans did to these same people in the past. It is just hard for us to see that today because it is our current morality. And yes, many people today and throughout history do not share our current moral system, obviously.
missedthecue 4y ago
The vote was 387-2
- oriettaxx 4y ago
  the opposition best candidate "Bobi Wine", a singer, have seen his show cancelled in London and Birmingham in 2014 because of his lyrics expressing opinions against homosexuality. (what an idiot!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobi_Wine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobi_Wine
- brwck 4y ago
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  - musicale 4y ago
    An unchecked majority can trample upon the minority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
throwaway5959 4y ago
Seems like bigots are out in full force. Law passed in Arkansas banning bathroom use by gender: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/arkansas-governor-signs-school-bathroom-bill-law-98031882 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/arkansas-governor-si...
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  Many of the same people and groups behind anti-LGBT movements and legislation in the US are the same that fund and are associated with the groups in Uganda that are responsible for the law in the OP: https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelic...
  - oriettaxx 4y ago
    the article is very interesting: thanks!
- clort 4y ago
  I always think, in their minds they are outraged about the implication of m->f transgender using the f changing room, but now as a direct consequence of their law they are going to get f->m transgender using the f changing room. Or perhaps that is secretly the point
  - drekipus 4y ago
    Is there cases of f->m transgender using their superior size to rape people? I genuinely don't know. But I don't think f->m are the problem. They still have a feminine body and it's still a fair fight in body size comparison. It's the same as the sports argument. The bigger problem is the larger, masculine bodies now dominating women's sports. I don't think many worry about the smaller bodies in sports where everyone is the same size or bigger than them.
- krapp 4y ago
  It gets a lot worse than that, especially in Texas.
oriettaxx 4y ago
you know: politicians in trouble needs an 'arm of mass distraction', and in Uganda this is it: in the meanwhile the 'usual suspects' will rob more. My 2 cent is that no big 'traffic' will end up in tribunals: what I am really scared now are mobs: the idiots have no idea of what this can trigger (I am in Kampala now, and to be honest a bit scared to take the street tomorrow: a little misunderstanding and you may end up beaten up pretty bad) Worth mentioning that in Uganda there some brand new built so called "oil roads" (roads here are pretty bad, but these 'oil road' are super highways): so good you so not easily see in rich countries, with people living in huts on the side with no waters (apart from the oil traffic, the other relevant traffic are people walking with 15 liters water jerrycans on the head: the Oil is extracted (sit down before listening) in a national park (!!), and is extracted by French Total, taken to Tanzania for refinery (almost the other side of the country)... ah, and the road (perfect, btw) built by Cina.... and let's not talk about education (public schools are irrelevant and so bad that anybody, even the very poors, invest on private schools education: which, bwt, are at every corner! the majority run by religious groups that, as we all know, have zero interest to promote public schools) The Uganda'scontext is really absurd for any even superficial eye: there is enough to make anybody scream for the idiocy, so a perfect "let's talk about something else" was more then necessary!
- techdragon 4y ago
  When everyone is talking about something else, no one is talking about anything.
- alephnerd 4y ago
  Are the ongoing Rwanda-DRC tensions having some impact in Uganda right now as well?
- jacquesm 4y ago
  It's resource theft.
- oriettaxx 4y ago
  The new law has been signed by the president of Uganda, so it's running. Can this triggers a lot of legit (or not legit, too) request for asylum? I mean, I can imagine that several may queuing right now in front of foreign embassies in Kampala asking for asylum.
brwck 4y ago
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- pstuart 4y ago
  Your use of "brainwashing" is beyond ironic when you consider religious indoctrination. Also, there's plenty of other "crimes" there that get ignored, so it's insincere faith at best.
- petre 4y ago
  What use is the death penalty if those people think they go to hell anyway? Just to reinforce their beliefs?
boeingUH60 4y ago
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- hulitu 4y ago
  Will be very hard taking into account the foreign companies which are more than happy with the current state of affairs.
  - loa_in_ 4y ago
    It's a polygon for unleashing any and all mafia tactics. The mafia is wealthy and there's enough people who'd even join the ranks with the obvious bad company for some one time payment. The goons are the local trucking plant's unofficial security force. Maybe we can catch them on not paying taxes?

34 points by heavyset_go 4y ago

31337Logic 4y ago

Wow. What fucking century are we living in here?

pfannkuchen 4y ago
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- 31337Logic 4y ago
  Is it just "those in the west" who hold these "certain moral principals"? Get off your high horse.
  - pfannkuchen 4y ago
    What high horse? I live in the West, and I subscribe to modern Western values. I don’t think homosexuality should be punished in any way, here where I live. But what makes that belief universal? Pushing it on people with completely different cultural contexts and historical backgrounds is no different from what “enlightened” Europeans did to these same people in the past. It is just hard for us to see that today because it is our current morality. And yes, many people today and throughout history do not share our current moral system, obviously.

missedthecue 4y ago

The vote was 387-2

oriettaxx 4y ago
the opposition best candidate "Bobi Wine", a singer, have seen his show cancelled in London and Birmingham in 2014 because of his lyrics expressing opinions against homosexuality. (what an idiot!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobi_Wine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobi_Wine
brwck 4y ago
[flagged]
- musicale 4y ago
  An unchecked majority can trample upon the minority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

throwaway5959 4y ago

Seems like bigots are out in full force. Law passed in Arkansas banning bathroom use by gender: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/arkansas-governor-signs-school-bathroom-bill-law-98031882 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/arkansas-governor-si...

heavyset_go 4y ago
Many of the same people and groups behind anti-LGBT movements and legislation in the US are the same that fund and are associated with the groups in Uganda that are responsible for the law in the OP: https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelic...
- oriettaxx 4y ago
  the article is very interesting: thanks!
clort 4y ago
I always think, in their minds they are outraged about the implication of m->f transgender using the f changing room, but now as a direct consequence of their law they are going to get f->m transgender using the f changing room. Or perhaps that is secretly the point
- drekipus 4y ago
  Is there cases of f->m transgender using their superior size to rape people? I genuinely don't know. But I don't think f->m are the problem. They still have a feminine body and it's still a fair fight in body size comparison. It's the same as the sports argument. The bigger problem is the larger, masculine bodies now dominating women's sports. I don't think many worry about the smaller bodies in sports where everyone is the same size or bigger than them.
krapp 4y ago
It gets a lot worse than that, especially in Texas.

oriettaxx 4y ago

you know: politicians in trouble needs an 'arm of mass distraction', and in Uganda this is it: in the meanwhile the 'usual suspects' will rob more. My 2 cent is that no big 'traffic' will end up in tribunals: what I am really scared now are mobs: the idiots have no idea of what this can trigger (I am in Kampala now, and to be honest a bit scared to take the street tomorrow: a little misunderstanding and you may end up beaten up pretty bad) Worth mentioning that in Uganda there some brand new built so called "oil roads" (roads here are pretty bad, but these 'oil road' are super highways): so good you so not easily see in rich countries, with people living in huts on the side with no waters (apart from the oil traffic, the other relevant traffic are people walking with 15 liters water jerrycans on the head: the Oil is extracted (sit down before listening) in a national park (!!), and is extracted by French Total, taken to Tanzania for refinery (almost the other side of the country)... ah, and the road (perfect, btw) built by Cina.... and let's not talk about education (public schools are irrelevant and so bad that anybody, even the very poors, invest on private schools education: which, bwt, are at every corner! the majority run by religious groups that, as we all know, have zero interest to promote public schools) The Uganda'scontext is really absurd for any even superficial eye: there is enough to make anybody scream for the idiocy, so a perfect "let's talk about something else" was more then necessary!

techdragon 4y ago
When everyone is talking about something else, no one is talking about anything.
alephnerd 4y ago
Are the ongoing Rwanda-DRC tensions having some impact in Uganda right now as well?
jacquesm 4y ago
It's resource theft.
oriettaxx 4y ago
The new law has been signed by the president of Uganda, so it's running. Can this triggers a lot of legit (or not legit, too) request for asylum? I mean, I can imagine that several may queuing right now in front of foreign embassies in Kampala asking for asylum.

brwck 4y ago

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pstuart 4y ago
Your use of "brainwashing" is beyond ironic when you consider religious indoctrination. Also, there's plenty of other "crimes" there that get ignored, so it's insincere faith at best.
petre 4y ago
What use is the death penalty if those people think they go to hell anyway? Just to reinforce their beliefs?

boeingUH60 4y ago

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hulitu 4y ago
Will be very hard taking into account the foreign companies which are more than happy with the current state of affairs.
- loa_in_ 4y ago
  It's a polygon for unleashing any and all mafia tactics. The mafia is wealthy and there's enough people who'd even join the ranks with the obvious bad company for some one time payment. The goons are the local trucking plant's unofficial security force. Maybe we can catch them on not paying taxes?