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> free to create a similar app Only if you sign up for the Apple Developer Program, comply with all their rules and expectations, and not be surprised if they

> free to create a similar app Only if you sign up for the Apple Developer Program, comply with all their rules and expectations, and not be surprised if they ban you from using it with no explanation whatsoever.

scarface74 4y ago
Yes because out of the millions of app submissions that happen every year, you are likely to “be banned” for some arbitrary reason that is not spelled out. That must be why developing iOS Apps is so unpopular with developers…
- chordalkeyboard 4y ago
  > That must be why developing iOS Apps is so unpopular with developers… Apple products are popular among consumers and developers in spite of their many user-hostile decisions precisely because there are few alternatives, all of which have substantial disadvantages as well.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    So if Apple products are “user hostile” then why are enough users happily spending twice as much on iPhones and more on Macs to make Apple the most valuable company in the world? Maybe their decisions are only hostile to geeks who want to run Linux on the Apple Pencil.
    - chordalkeyboard 4y ago
      > So if Apple products are “user hostile” then why are enough users happily spending twice as much on iPhones and more on Macs They aren't all "happy" about it, but as I mentioned in the post you replied to, there is not a decent alternative. > Maybe their decisions are only hostile to geeks who want to run Linux on the Apple Pencil. Certainly not but one would have to be interested in the fact of the matter to realize it.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        There is an alternative - 85% of phone users choose Android.
        chordalkeyboard 4y ago
        > 85% of phone users choose Android. Indeed, seems they are not "happy" to buy Apple. > There is an alternative I mentioned this twice, it is also notoriously inadequate and user-hostile as well. Do you have anything to add to the discussion?
        scarface74 4y ago
        > Indeed, seems they are not "happy" to buy Apple. Your thesis was that Apple customers were not happy to buy Apple products… > is also notoriously inadequate and user-hostile as well Your second thesis was there was no decent alternative. Well, if so many people are unhappy with both iOS and Android, I’m sure they can but something like PinePhone. Or maybe most people don’t care about running a full open source stack on the Apple Pencil?
- dotancohen 4y ago
  For one thing, from what I understand (I don't develop mobile apps, and I don't own an Apple phone) Apple forbids applications that provide features already built into the phone. That's why even Firefox on iOS is just a skin over Safari. So if Apple Weather (or whatever they call the in-house weather app) comes with the phone, then your "same thing but different" app will not be made available in the Apple app store.
  - a2dam 4y ago
    Weather is an entire category of apps on the App Store. You can develop any weather app you like.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    This is also not true. There are plenty of podcast apps, weather apps, notes apps, music apps, streaming video apps. I can’t think of a single bundled app where there are not plenty of alternatives.

scarface74 4y ago

Yes because out of the millions of app submissions that happen every year, you are likely to “be banned” for some arbitrary reason that is not spelled out. That must be why developing iOS Apps is so unpopular with developers…

chordalkeyboard 4y ago
> That must be why developing iOS Apps is so unpopular with developers… Apple products are popular among consumers and developers in spite of their many user-hostile decisions precisely because there are few alternatives, all of which have substantial disadvantages as well.
- scarface74 4y ago
  So if Apple products are “user hostile” then why are enough users happily spending twice as much on iPhones and more on Macs to make Apple the most valuable company in the world? Maybe their decisions are only hostile to geeks who want to run Linux on the Apple Pencil.
  - chordalkeyboard 4y ago
    > So if Apple products are “user hostile” then why are enough users happily spending twice as much on iPhones and more on Macs They aren't all "happy" about it, but as I mentioned in the post you replied to, there is not a decent alternative. > Maybe their decisions are only hostile to geeks who want to run Linux on the Apple Pencil. Certainly not but one would have to be interested in the fact of the matter to realize it.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      There is an alternative - 85% of phone users choose Android.
      - chordalkeyboard 4y ago
        > 85% of phone users choose Android. Indeed, seems they are not "happy" to buy Apple. > There is an alternative I mentioned this twice, it is also notoriously inadequate and user-hostile as well. Do you have anything to add to the discussion?
        scarface74 4y ago
        > Indeed, seems they are not "happy" to buy Apple. Your thesis was that Apple customers were not happy to buy Apple products… > is also notoriously inadequate and user-hostile as well Your second thesis was there was no decent alternative. Well, if so many people are unhappy with both iOS and Android, I’m sure they can but something like PinePhone. Or maybe most people don’t care about running a full open source stack on the Apple Pencil?
dotancohen 4y ago
For one thing, from what I understand (I don't develop mobile apps, and I don't own an Apple phone) Apple forbids applications that provide features already built into the phone. That's why even Firefox on iOS is just a skin over Safari. So if Apple Weather (or whatever they call the in-house weather app) comes with the phone, then your "same thing but different" app will not be made available in the Apple app store.
- a2dam 4y ago
  Weather is an entire category of apps on the App Store. You can develop any weather app you like.
- scarface74 4y ago
  This is also not true. There are plenty of podcast apps, weather apps, notes apps, music apps, streaming video apps. I can’t think of a single bundled app where there are not plenty of alternatives.