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VS Code, WSL, open-sourcing .NET framework?

devmunchies 4y ago
VS Code was a copycat of Atom. Dotnet copied Java. I use and enjoy my microsoft stack (F#, Github, Azure, etc) but they definitely aren't "original". It's like they built a nice large city where it's pleasant to live, but lacks the charm of a more intimate town.
- princevegeta89 4y ago
  I wouldn't call VSCode a copycat of atom. It was completely rethought editor built for extensibility and flexibility that brought the huge ass community together to contribute to it. The remote container support is a major innovation. No other IDE supports it so well even to this day. Atom is a slow ass editor that was copied from Sublime Text but also failed to fix its own shit which was the reason it died.
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    >I wouldn't call VSCode a copycat of atom. C'mon, Electron was literally built for atom. They took the literally framework atom was running on and built a me-too editor
    - princevegeta89 4y ago
      Agreed, but the metoo editor still has had so many unique features vs atom though
- _lhb8 4y ago
  And the iPhone copied the BlackBerry. Nothing is original. Everything is inspired by something.
  - devmunchies 4y ago
    There’s definitely more nuance and degree.
midoridensha 4y ago
WSL original? Are you kidding? The 'L' stands for Linux: it just tries to copy Linux on Windows, providing a Linux environment on an OS that's entirely different. If anything, it's a reverse-copy of WINE.
- princevegeta89 4y ago
  I am not saying the Linux part of it was original, I meant that the first-class integration of a Linux layer into Windows as a type-1 hypervisor and setup-ready/teardown-ready mechanisms along with subsequential ability of having a real Linux kernel in addition to forwarding displays into the host (Windows) is definitely a novel push by Microsoft. You kind of say the reason in your own comment. An official linux environment in an entirely different platform based on NT is definitely a fresh concept.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    I still don't see what's novel about this. Linux was running Windows binaries directly through API translation long before, using WINE. And virtualization of entire OSes with VMware, VirtualBox, etc. was around long before WSL too. The only thing novel here was that MS was actually directly supporting running Linux, instead of poo-pooing it and making things intentionally difficult.
    - princevegeta89 4y ago
      >> directly supporting running Linux In my opinion this is what I consider novel.

VS Code was a copycat of Atom. Dotnet copied Java. I use and enjoy my microsoft stack (F#, Github, Azure, etc) but they definitely aren't "original". It's like they built a nice large city where it's pleasant to live, but lacks the charm of a more intimate town.

princevegeta89 4y ago
I wouldn't call VSCode a copycat of atom. It was completely rethought editor built for extensibility and flexibility that brought the huge ass community together to contribute to it. The remote container support is a major innovation. No other IDE supports it so well even to this day. Atom is a slow ass editor that was copied from Sublime Text but also failed to fix its own shit which was the reason it died.
- nemothekid 4y ago
  >I wouldn't call VSCode a copycat of atom. C'mon, Electron was literally built for atom. They took the literally framework atom was running on and built a me-too editor
  - princevegeta89 4y ago
    Agreed, but the metoo editor still has had so many unique features vs atom though
_lhb8 4y ago
And the iPhone copied the BlackBerry. Nothing is original. Everything is inspired by something.
- devmunchies 4y ago
  There’s definitely more nuance and degree.

midoridensha 4y ago

WSL original? Are you kidding? The 'L' stands for Linux: it just tries to copy Linux on Windows, providing a Linux environment on an OS that's entirely different. If anything, it's a reverse-copy of WINE.

princevegeta89 4y ago
I am not saying the Linux part of it was original, I meant that the first-class integration of a Linux layer into Windows as a type-1 hypervisor and setup-ready/teardown-ready mechanisms along with subsequential ability of having a real Linux kernel in addition to forwarding displays into the host (Windows) is definitely a novel push by Microsoft. You kind of say the reason in your own comment. An official linux environment in an entirely different platform based on NT is definitely a fresh concept.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  I still don't see what's novel about this. Linux was running Windows binaries directly through API translation long before, using WINE. And virtualization of entire OSes with VMware, VirtualBox, etc. was around long before WSL too. The only thing novel here was that MS was actually directly supporting running Linux, instead of poo-pooing it and making things intentionally difficult.
  - princevegeta89 4y ago
    >> directly supporting running Linux In my opinion this is what I consider novel.