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Looks like they are copying Notion. A lot of things have changed at Microsoft under Satya Nadella. One thing that hasn't changed is their inability to create a

Looks like they are copying Notion. A lot of things have changed at Microsoft under Satya Nadella. One thing that hasn't changed is their inability to create anything original.

rejectfinite 4y ago
This was announced years ago. Is every FPS a Doom clone? Every wiki a wikimedia copy? Every browser a copy of Mosiac?
- shiftpgdn 4y ago
  This looks like a parity to Notion's feature set. Chrome wasn't a copy of Internet Explorer because it was a great leap forward in web browsers. Call of Duty isn't a doom clone because it has a storyline and semi-realistic weapons and graphics.
  - louhike 4y ago
    You could say that Call of Duty was a clone of Medal of Honor though. And comparing Chrome with Firefox at the time might be more fair too.
    - lghh 4y ago
      Okay. Then Medal of Honor wasn't a DOOM clone.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  The market shifted toward more FPS games because of Doom, yes. But also, modern FPS games don't copy Doom slavishly. Initially browsers were, in fact, copies of Mosaic, but over time they've branched out somewhat. This seems note-for-note to be a copy of Notion, not just conceptually. It's a product designed so a sales team can tell customers: you can cancel your Notion contract and just add this low-cost option to your existing Office 365 subscription!
- stevefan1999 4y ago
  Sorry but I would replace Doom with Wolfenstein: Is every FPS a Wolfenstein clone?
_fat_santa 4y ago
Not just at MSFT, seems that the entire industry is headed in that one direction. It seems now you have 1-2 true innovators in the industry and then a littany of copycats. Short form video is probably the shining example of this. TikTok was first to make the innovation (technically Vine), and then everyone copied them verbatim from there (Reels, YT Shorts, Whatver the hell FB is doing, Twitter). Sometimes this copying has a positive effect like when Twitter copied Clubhouse with Spaces, but often times it just ends up being half assed versions of the thing that was initially popular/innovative.
- petilon 4y ago
  You expect trillion-dollar companies to contribute to society by occasionally doing some original work. Instead, they suck the oxygen out of the room by copying market-successful ideas, thereby stifling innovators.
  - rektide 4y ago
    There's alot of naysaying against selfhosting & p2p, saying people don't care about that stuff. But to me the clear advantage is having malleable systems & protocols. It's the ability for folks to try different things, to change the products or make new products that interoperate. Being dependent on so few to provide all the "innovation" & leaving everyone else as consumer to that provided "innovation" feels like a broken system.
princevegeta89 4y ago
VS Code, WSL, open-sourcing .NET framework?
- devmunchies 4y ago
  VS Code was a copycat of Atom. Dotnet copied Java. I use and enjoy my microsoft stack (F#, Github, Azure, etc) but they definitely aren't "original". It's like they built a nice large city where it's pleasant to live, but lacks the charm of a more intimate town.
  - princevegeta89 4y ago
    I wouldn't call VSCode a copycat of atom. It was completely rethought editor built for extensibility and flexibility that brought the huge ass community together to contribute to it. The remote container support is a major innovation. No other IDE supports it so well even to this day. Atom is a slow ass editor that was copied from Sublime Text but also failed to fix its own shit which was the reason it died.
    - nemothekid 4y ago
      >I wouldn't call VSCode a copycat of atom. C'mon, Electron was literally built for atom. They took the literally framework atom was running on and built a me-too editor
      - princevegeta89 4y ago
        Agreed, but the metoo editor still has had so many unique features vs atom though
  - _lhb8 4y ago
    And the iPhone copied the BlackBerry. Nothing is original. Everything is inspired by something.
    - 4y ago

Looks like they are copying Notion. A lot of things have changed at Microsoft under Satya Nadella. One thing that hasn't changed is their inability to create anything original.

rejectfinite 4y ago

This was announced years ago. Is every FPS a Doom clone? Every wiki a wikimedia copy? Every browser a copy of Mosiac?

shiftpgdn 4y ago
This looks like a parity to Notion's feature set. Chrome wasn't a copy of Internet Explorer because it was a great leap forward in web browsers. Call of Duty isn't a doom clone because it has a storyline and semi-realistic weapons and graphics.
- louhike 4y ago
  You could say that Call of Duty was a clone of Medal of Honor though. And comparing Chrome with Firefox at the time might be more fair too.
  - lghh 4y ago
    Okay. Then Medal of Honor wasn't a DOOM clone.
pwinnski 4y ago
The market shifted toward more FPS games because of Doom, yes. But also, modern FPS games don't copy Doom slavishly. Initially browsers were, in fact, copies of Mosaic, but over time they've branched out somewhat. This seems note-for-note to be a copy of Notion, not just conceptually. It's a product designed so a sales team can tell customers: you can cancel your Notion contract and just add this low-cost option to your existing Office 365 subscription!
stevefan1999 4y ago
Sorry but I would replace Doom with Wolfenstein: Is every FPS a Wolfenstein clone?

_fat_santa 4y ago

Not just at MSFT, seems that the entire industry is headed in that one direction. It seems now you have 1-2 true innovators in the industry and then a littany of copycats. Short form video is probably the shining example of this. TikTok was first to make the innovation (technically Vine), and then everyone copied them verbatim from there (Reels, YT Shorts, Whatver the hell FB is doing, Twitter). Sometimes this copying has a positive effect like when Twitter copied Clubhouse with Spaces, but often times it just ends up being half assed versions of the thing that was initially popular/innovative.

petilon 4y ago
You expect trillion-dollar companies to contribute to society by occasionally doing some original work. Instead, they suck the oxygen out of the room by copying market-successful ideas, thereby stifling innovators.
- rektide 4y ago
  There's alot of naysaying against selfhosting & p2p, saying people don't care about that stuff. But to me the clear advantage is having malleable systems & protocols. It's the ability for folks to try different things, to change the products or make new products that interoperate. Being dependent on so few to provide all the "innovation" & leaving everyone else as consumer to that provided "innovation" feels like a broken system.

princevegeta89 4y ago

VS Code, WSL, open-sourcing .NET framework?

devmunchies 4y ago
VS Code was a copycat of Atom. Dotnet copied Java. I use and enjoy my microsoft stack (F#, Github, Azure, etc) but they definitely aren't "original". It's like they built a nice large city where it's pleasant to live, but lacks the charm of a more intimate town.
- princevegeta89 4y ago
  I wouldn't call VSCode a copycat of atom. It was completely rethought editor built for extensibility and flexibility that brought the huge ass community together to contribute to it. The remote container support is a major innovation. No other IDE supports it so well even to this day. Atom is a slow ass editor that was copied from Sublime Text but also failed to fix its own shit which was the reason it died.
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    >I wouldn't call VSCode a copycat of atom. C'mon, Electron was literally built for atom. They took the literally framework atom was running on and built a me-too editor
    - princevegeta89 4y ago
      Agreed, but the metoo editor still has had so many unique features vs atom though
- _lhb8 4y ago
  And the iPhone copied the BlackBerry. Nothing is original. Everything is inspired by something.
  - 4y ago