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Trust me, there are plenty of places where people object to new people moving into the area permanently. If you haven't seen this you've never lived in Montana,

Trust me, there are plenty of places where people object to new people moving into the area permanently. If you haven't seen this you've never lived in Montana, Northern Idaho, etc. Xenophobia against out-of-staters is practically the regional religion. Which, to be honest, is not totally unjustified, these places are wonderful and people whose families have lived there for generations are finding themselves pushed out by the rising property values caused by the migration of people out of the rich cities and into their communities. It's unfortunately a feature of our system- if you don't have money you don't get to live in good places. People are just justifiably unhappy with that particular feature acting on them.

danielrpa 4y ago
Property values is just one part of the problem. A lot of the xenophobia is also due these migrants bringing their political opinions (and votes) with them.
- idiotsecant 4y ago
  I disagree, at least anecdotally. I spent most of my life in that region and after moving out of the area I can see it from both sides. The political thing is only marginally an issue. Yes, people in small (relative to the west coast) towns in Montana do think Californians are somewhat more left-leaning, but that's not ultimately an issue. This area of the country has a very 'rugged individualist' live-and-let-live attitude in that domain. It's much more an issue of rising property values literally destroying the communities that they once knew and turning them into mini-californias where they are no longer welcome. It's quite literally a case of not being able to afford to live where your family has lived for hundreds of years.
  - oceanplexian 4y ago
    Literally no one west of the Mississippi has had their family live anywhere for "hundreds of years". I can see the case being made in Europe, but ultimately this in the US it's just transplants upset at other transplants. aka "I got mine, and therefore I want to close the door behind me".
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  You don't even need to bring your political opinions to f things up. I know a guy who moves from CA to Idaho. He complains people don't maintain their houses nicely enough. He complains the dirt roads aren't graded well enough. He complains that the super market doesn't have what he wants. He complains that the way they do excavation is wrong (he's a septic guy by trade). At literally every turn he complains that the locals are doing it wrong. I've told him that the problem probably isn't the locals. (And I concur with what the other guy said about rising property values destroying communities.)
YellOh 4y ago
I agree with all of the above, but just to add a bonus bit of anecdata: My parents now live in a red flyover state and complain about foreign Californians making everything too expensive and changing the local culture. To put it in perspective, my parents who are complaining have lived ~3x longer in California than they have in their new red state. I love them, but not all of the people complaining about Californians are the people it would make much sense to get complaints from.

danielrpa 4y ago

Property values is just one part of the problem. A lot of the xenophobia is also due these migrants bringing their political opinions (and votes) with them.

idiotsecant 4y ago
I disagree, at least anecdotally. I spent most of my life in that region and after moving out of the area I can see it from both sides. The political thing is only marginally an issue. Yes, people in small (relative to the west coast) towns in Montana do think Californians are somewhat more left-leaning, but that's not ultimately an issue. This area of the country has a very 'rugged individualist' live-and-let-live attitude in that domain. It's much more an issue of rising property values literally destroying the communities that they once knew and turning them into mini-californias where they are no longer welcome. It's quite literally a case of not being able to afford to live where your family has lived for hundreds of years.
- oceanplexian 4y ago
  Literally no one west of the Mississippi has had their family live anywhere for "hundreds of years". I can see the case being made in Europe, but ultimately this in the US it's just transplants upset at other transplants. aka "I got mine, and therefore I want to close the door behind me".
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
You don't even need to bring your political opinions to f things up. I know a guy who moves from CA to Idaho. He complains people don't maintain their houses nicely enough. He complains the dirt roads aren't graded well enough. He complains that the super market doesn't have what he wants. He complains that the way they do excavation is wrong (he's a septic guy by trade). At literally every turn he complains that the locals are doing it wrong. I've told him that the problem probably isn't the locals. (And I concur with what the other guy said about rising property values destroying communities.)

YellOh 4y ago

I agree with all of the above, but just to add a bonus bit of anecdata: My parents now live in a red flyover state and complain about foreign Californians making everything too expensive and changing the local culture. To put it in perspective, my parents who are complaining have lived ~3x longer in California than they have in their new red state. I love them, but not all of the people complaining about Californians are the people it would make much sense to get complaints from.