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Masterstroke is that they are including Linux, in WSL also in windows server. They are 1 step away from being a Linux distribution that runs legacy windows soft

Masterstroke is that they are including Linux, in WSL also in windows server. They are 1 step away from being a Linux distribution that runs legacy windows software within containers :D

withinboredom 4y ago
If only they could get ipv6 working in WSL so that shenanigans[1] aren't required. [1]: https://github.com/withinboredom/ipv6-wsl https://github.com/withinboredom/ipv6-wsl
- quijoteuniv 4y ago
  Shenanigans?! Do not get me started, i have for a year remember to close any WSL session before put pc to sleep, command line or VSC because on waking VMEM process will eat up the CPU. So had to restart or do a weird workaround, but Linux session was gone anyway. There is a github case 2-3 years old
wankle 4y ago
I'm a long time Ubuntu user but, if Microsoft went Linux, and it wasn't an anti-VM (explained: try to upgrade Win 10 in a VM to see what I'm talking about), Ad infested, user tracking machine then I might have to get back in bed with Microsoft.
- ajolly 4y ago
  That's no longer the case for Windows 11, or if I remember correctly later versions for Windows 10.
  - wankle 4y ago
    I just checked, Windows 10 in a VM (running on KVM on Linux), refuses to upgrade to Windows 11. I only keep it around in case a contract requires something regarding Windows. 10 goes out of support next year, I will delete the VM. I can reject any clients that would need me to touch windows.
dathinab 4y ago
or actively remove many reasons why people ended up trying out linux distributions in the past like e.g. universtity students needing to run programs which don't run on windows natively all the time, so many try out native Linux distros, some stay. Now all of them can just use WSL. Or like devs which need to develop for Linux servers etc. Basically they have accepted that windows server have failed and their server license business model isn't that good anymore too due to how the cloud changed things. So instead of pushing for a Windows everywhere ecosystem they now embrace Linux on servers (preferable on Azure ;) ) and Windows on the desktop using WSL to bridge the dev experience and also bridge to university student use case. But you can be sure that if they see a way to make it harder to install Linux on systems and get away with it both legal wise and PR wise (probably using some excuses about "security") you can be sure they will do so. Especially if they can push the blame onto others (like the hardware vendors not implementing some option in the BIOS which is needed to allow other OSes to be installed). Through at least for now I expect them to act careful to not damage their new image. Also one way the failed the "Windows desktop" thing is by producing a pretty bad out of the box desktop experience for many people (like I'm fine paying for an OS but not if there is even a single AD in there, or bloat ware). This create reasons for people to switch to Linux which had been much less common during windows 7 days.
- gonehome 4y ago
  I use macOS in large part because its a *nix OS under the hood. WSL gives a lot of that power to Windows.
  - fesc 4y ago
    Except it isn't, so e.g. running containers still need a VM. I wish macOS had something like WSL built-in.
  - dathinab 4y ago
    macOS is tempting but it's a pretty bad nix IMHO. The amount of times I had to change ad-hoc scripts to work around macOS limitations is absurd.

Masterstroke is that they are including Linux, in WSL also in windows server. They are 1 step away from being a Linux distribution that runs legacy windows software within containers :D

withinboredom 4y ago

If only they could get ipv6 working in WSL so that shenanigans[1] aren't required. [1]: https://github.com/withinboredom/ipv6-wsl https://github.com/withinboredom/ipv6-wsl

quijoteuniv 4y ago
Shenanigans?! Do not get me started, i have for a year remember to close any WSL session before put pc to sleep, command line or VSC because on waking VMEM process will eat up the CPU. So had to restart or do a weird workaround, but Linux session was gone anyway. There is a github case 2-3 years old

wankle 4y ago

I'm a long time Ubuntu user but, if Microsoft went Linux, and it wasn't an anti-VM (explained: try to upgrade Win 10 in a VM to see what I'm talking about), Ad infested, user tracking machine then I might have to get back in bed with Microsoft.

ajolly 4y ago
That's no longer the case for Windows 11, or if I remember correctly later versions for Windows 10.
- wankle 4y ago
  I just checked, Windows 10 in a VM (running on KVM on Linux), refuses to upgrade to Windows 11. I only keep it around in case a contract requires something regarding Windows. 10 goes out of support next year, I will delete the VM. I can reject any clients that would need me to touch windows.

dathinab 4y ago

or actively remove many reasons why people ended up trying out linux distributions in the past like e.g. universtity students needing to run programs which don't run on windows natively all the time, so many try out native Linux distros, some stay. Now all of them can just use WSL. Or like devs which need to develop for Linux servers etc. Basically they have accepted that windows server have failed and their server license business model isn't that good anymore too due to how the cloud changed things. So instead of pushing for a Windows everywhere ecosystem they now embrace Linux on servers (preferable on Azure ;) ) and Windows on the desktop using WSL to bridge the dev experience and also bridge to university student use case. But you can be sure that if they see a way to make it harder to install Linux on systems and get away with it both legal wise and PR wise (probably using some excuses about "security") you can be sure they will do so. Especially if they can push the blame onto others (like the hardware vendors not implementing some option in the BIOS which is needed to allow other OSes to be installed). Through at least for now I expect them to act careful to not damage their new image. Also one way the failed the "Windows desktop" thing is by producing a pretty bad out of the box desktop experience for many people (like I'm fine paying for an OS but not if there is even a single AD in there, or bloat ware). This create reasons for people to switch to Linux which had been much less common during windows 7 days.

gonehome 4y ago
I use macOS in large part because its a *nix OS under the hood. WSL gives a lot of that power to Windows.
- fesc 4y ago
  Except it isn't, so e.g. running containers still need a VM. I wish macOS had something like WSL built-in.
- dathinab 4y ago
  macOS is tempting but it's a pretty bad nix IMHO. The amount of times I had to change ad-hoc scripts to work around macOS limitations is absurd.