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I agree with this for the most part but "just build a better browser" is naive. For starters, everyone has a different of what "better" is. I'm actually pretty

I agree with this for the most part but "just build a better browser" is naive. For starters, everyone has a different of what "better" is. I'm actually pretty happy with Firefox for the most part and I think being the company that sells safety is a good fit for Mozilla to move into.

insanitybit 4y ago
> For starters, everyone has a different of what "better" is. We can all agree on some things though. I'm talking about core metrics. Performance, stability, safety. Beyond that there are some more "controversial" things like privacy, and then you have purely subjective things like UX. When I say "build a better browser" I mean that they should take those core capabilities and invest heavily in them. Instead, one of their most promising projects, Servo, was canned "because covid" while their CEO took their largest 8 figure payment ever.
- quesera 4y ago
  Mozilla's greatest failure with Firefox is one of marketing. It's a performant, stable, safe, and private browser. (It lags Chrome in some potted performance tests, but it is more than adequately performant. Firefox is much better than Chrome at memory management. It never crashes. It does not steal your data. It allows you the greatest degree of privacy in any major browser. Side tabs are possible.) But no one can compete with Google's marketing, or Apple's iOS advantage. Not even Microsoft. Certainly not Mozilla. Mozilla has failed us in so so many ways. You mention one egregious example. But we've failed Mozilla too. Anyone who recommends Chrome over Firefox is making a mistake detrimental to the well-being of the internet. Not that Chrome is a bad browser. It's great. Almost as good as Firefox! Chrome has terrible tab management and chews RAM, but it's performant and secure and lovely. But Chrome is a bad path forward for the internet, and this is important.
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    Firefox is bad at browsing the web, because complex websites don't test for Firefox compatible.
    - mindcrime 4y ago
      This doesn't match my experience. I use Firefox as my "daily driver" browser on my personal machine and the number of browser compatibility issues I run into over a given period of time approximates 0. It's vanishingly rare for me to encounter something that's Firefox specific.
    - quesera 4y ago
      Curious to hear which sites you experience issues on. I use a lot of SaaS admin panels, of widely varying quality. In every case I can think of, the same bugs are present in Firefox, Chrome, and Safari.
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insanitybit 4y ago

> For starters, everyone has a different of what "better" is. We can all agree on some things though. I'm talking about core metrics. Performance, stability, safety. Beyond that there are some more "controversial" things like privacy, and then you have purely subjective things like UX. When I say "build a better browser" I mean that they should take those core capabilities and invest heavily in them. Instead, one of their most promising projects, Servo, was canned "because covid" while their CEO took their largest 8 figure payment ever.

quesera 4y ago
Mozilla's greatest failure with Firefox is one of marketing. It's a performant, stable, safe, and private browser. (It lags Chrome in some potted performance tests, but it is more than adequately performant. Firefox is much better than Chrome at memory management. It never crashes. It does not steal your data. It allows you the greatest degree of privacy in any major browser. Side tabs are possible.) But no one can compete with Google's marketing, or Apple's iOS advantage. Not even Microsoft. Certainly not Mozilla. Mozilla has failed us in so so many ways. You mention one egregious example. But we've failed Mozilla too. Anyone who recommends Chrome over Firefox is making a mistake detrimental to the well-being of the internet. Not that Chrome is a bad browser. It's great. Almost as good as Firefox! Chrome has terrible tab management and chews RAM, but it's performant and secure and lovely. But Chrome is a bad path forward for the internet, and this is important.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  Firefox is bad at browsing the web, because complex websites don't test for Firefox compatible.
  - mindcrime 4y ago
    This doesn't match my experience. I use Firefox as my "daily driver" browser on my personal machine and the number of browser compatibility issues I run into over a given period of time approximates 0. It's vanishingly rare for me to encounter something that's Firefox specific.
  - quesera 4y ago
    Curious to hear which sites you experience issues on. I use a lot of SaaS admin panels, of widely varying quality. In every case I can think of, the same bugs are present in Firefox, Chrome, and Safari.

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