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I said what Chrome does. It has integrations. I have to use Chrome to log in at work, that's been the case at 3 companies I've worked at now. It is insane that

I said what Chrome does. It has integrations. I have to use Chrome to log in at work, that's been the case at 3 companies I've worked at now. It is insane that Firefox doesn't see that as an obvious threat and build similar integrations.

dblohm7 4y ago
Building similar integrations will require, in your words, "focusing elsewhere." You can't have both.
- jacobr1 4y ago
  Yes - but that would be as a extension/integration with their browser asset - not a random unrelated project.
  - dralley 4y ago
    You can say this, but every time Mozilla does an integration with their browser asset - like Mozilla VPN or Pocket - people scream at them for adding "pointless bloat" to the browser. I fail to see how your proposal would end differently. Plus it was suggested that Mozilla do things to compete with Google's "Gsuite integration" - how do you see that working to begin with? Should Mozilla try to push a competitive office suite, or try to compete at an inherent disadvantage to Google, who already nerfs features of Google search on their mobile browser?
    - insanitybit 4y ago
      All they have to do is implement the Endpoint Verification plugin. It's open source and any attempt from Google to prevent that would be obviously anti-competitive.
- insanitybit 4y ago
  I'm advocating for code that would be implemented entirely in the browser or via an extension...
m_0x 4y ago
I'd really like you to expand in the forced to use Chrome at work. How does that work? I'm also at corporate and they are really integrated with Edge. But it doesn't mean I can't do my work in Firefox (Which I currently use) What do you mean by forced? What happens if you don't log in? What happens if you try to log in in firefox? Edit: Ah I missed this from your original comment: > Chrome is mandated at many companies because of its GSuite integration/ Context Aware Access. You might be right, I'm too lazy to try this in Firefox.
- insanitybit 4y ago
  One of two scenarios. 1. The Endpoint Verification extension is used to ensure that the browser/ system is compliant before connecting to certain services such as any SSO. 2. Internal tools were tested with Chrome and to ensure that users were using an up to date tool they were gated on the user agent. Chrome offers a host of endpoint management integrations that make it a far better choice for Enterprise than Mozilla. Mozilla could very easily build a management portal for Firefox or, even better, build an integration with various SSO providers. Whereas Chrome really only integrates with GSuite Firefox could support Okta, O365, GSuite, and more, making it the de-facto corporate browser. This isn't even complicated, this is one of many ideas I have that are easily within their ability, are taken straight from the Chrome playbook, leverages their singular asset, and their major competitive advantage (that they are "open"). Mozilla's CEO has to be fired. The incompetence and mismanagement is obscene.
- echelon 4y ago
  BeyondCorp only working on Chrome. Every single tool and vendor integrated with BeyondCorp. Access to internal systems (including SSH) checked against BeyondCorp. Using Firefox for anything was literally painful.
- eganist 4y ago
  > What do you mean by forced? What happens if you don't log in? What happens if you try to log in in firefox? Companies with application allow-lists simply don't allow non-Chrome browsers for use on their endpoints. That's the easiest way. Companies without allow-lists may still block Firefox in other ways, though none quite as effective as above. Still, the block is usually on the endpoint, occasionally the proxy.
idiotsecant 4y ago
It's interesting how tribal the corporate IT universe can get - I am forbidden from installing Chrome, even if I wanted to.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  Do you use ActiveDirectory for identity? In my experience, most corporates are either AD + Windows , or Google Workspace + Chrome
  - idiotsecant 4y ago
    Yep, AD + Windows here.
rglullis 4y ago
Do you know that Ubuntu's number one issue in their bug tracker is "Microsoft has a monopoly on the desktop market"? Plenty of people have to use Windows at work, it doesn't mean that MacOS (or Ubuntu) is a failure, or that they lack focus, or that this would change if alternatives just went to implement what you need. The truth is that Google has built a formidable moat around their browser, and even if Mozilla put it as their one mission to catch up, they wouldn't be able to. Also, the first second that Firefox became a credible threat to Google would be the time that Google would drop all the money that they put into Mozilla.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >Do you know that Ubuntu's number one issue in their bug tracker is "Microsoft has a monopoly on the desktop market"? Plenty of people have to use Windows at work Funny, I had to use Ubuntu 22.04 at my previous backend job and hated every minute of it thanks to snap, gnome, apt, wayland, hibernate, touchpad, and other issues that made me pull my hair out and loose several work hours in tinkering just to attempt to fix them so I can be productive at work. Maybe I was also horribly unlucky, who knows, but IMHO Ubuntu has went from the go-to to being the worst possible Linux distro. I was daily driving Ubuntu 10.XX in college and it wasn't this bad. I get Canonical wants Ubuntu as the competitor for Windows, and they can can cry "wagh! Microsoft monopoly! wagh!" as much as they want, but Ubuntu aint it chief. Linux Mint and others could do it better if they had Canonical's pockets. Similar for Firefox. Basic stuff that's standard in Chrome and Edge, like translation (I live in an EU country who's language I don't fully master) or spell-check, need to be downloaded as extensions/plugins in Firefox, and separate for each language, and the end quality of the Firefox spellcheck still sucks majorly compared to what Chrome has out of the box. I get it, we should support Ubuntu and Firefox because freedom and all that, but I can't when the quality of the products and consumer experience is abysmal compared to the paid competition.
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    MS's pockets are big enough for Ubuntu, Mint, and a dozen more.
  - 4y ago
Animats 4y ago
If your personal Google account is cancelled, do you become unemployable?
- Jarwain 4y ago
  Wouldn't they have a corporate suite account used to log in?
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    And if they catch you using it they might ban the company you work for by association.
  - insanitybit 4y ago
    Yes, that should be obvious. I can't imagine what the parent was thinking.
    - Animats 4y ago
      Can you have more than one Google account per phone? Can you have a Cloud Identity Account without a Personal Account?
      - insanitybit 4y ago
        Yes and yes
XorNot 4y ago
I have never encountered this. Everything I've had to use for work works with Firefox just fine. Chrome gets put on corporate machines because the IT people use Chrome. None of these people seem to regard ad blocking as an internal security feature yet.

dblohm7 4y ago

Building similar integrations will require, in your words, "focusing elsewhere." You can't have both.

jacobr1 4y ago
Yes - but that would be as a extension/integration with their browser asset - not a random unrelated project.
- dralley 4y ago
  You can say this, but every time Mozilla does an integration with their browser asset - like Mozilla VPN or Pocket - people scream at them for adding "pointless bloat" to the browser. I fail to see how your proposal would end differently. Plus it was suggested that Mozilla do things to compete with Google's "Gsuite integration" - how do you see that working to begin with? Should Mozilla try to push a competitive office suite, or try to compete at an inherent disadvantage to Google, who already nerfs features of Google search on their mobile browser?
  - insanitybit 4y ago
    All they have to do is implement the Endpoint Verification plugin. It's open source and any attempt from Google to prevent that would be obviously anti-competitive.
insanitybit 4y ago
I'm advocating for code that would be implemented entirely in the browser or via an extension...

m_0x 4y ago

I'd really like you to expand in the forced to use Chrome at work. How does that work? I'm also at corporate and they are really integrated with Edge. But it doesn't mean I can't do my work in Firefox (Which I currently use) What do you mean by forced? What happens if you don't log in? What happens if you try to log in in firefox? Edit: Ah I missed this from your original comment: > Chrome is mandated at many companies because of its GSuite integration/ Context Aware Access. You might be right, I'm too lazy to try this in Firefox.

insanitybit 4y ago
One of two scenarios. 1. The Endpoint Verification extension is used to ensure that the browser/ system is compliant before connecting to certain services such as any SSO. 2. Internal tools were tested with Chrome and to ensure that users were using an up to date tool they were gated on the user agent. Chrome offers a host of endpoint management integrations that make it a far better choice for Enterprise than Mozilla. Mozilla could very easily build a management portal for Firefox or, even better, build an integration with various SSO providers. Whereas Chrome really only integrates with GSuite Firefox could support Okta, O365, GSuite, and more, making it the de-facto corporate browser. This isn't even complicated, this is one of many ideas I have that are easily within their ability, are taken straight from the Chrome playbook, leverages their singular asset, and their major competitive advantage (that they are "open"). Mozilla's CEO has to be fired. The incompetence and mismanagement is obscene.
echelon 4y ago
BeyondCorp only working on Chrome. Every single tool and vendor integrated with BeyondCorp. Access to internal systems (including SSH) checked against BeyondCorp. Using Firefox for anything was literally painful.
eganist 4y ago
> What do you mean by forced? What happens if you don't log in? What happens if you try to log in in firefox? Companies with application allow-lists simply don't allow non-Chrome browsers for use on their endpoints. That's the easiest way. Companies without allow-lists may still block Firefox in other ways, though none quite as effective as above. Still, the block is usually on the endpoint, occasionally the proxy.

idiotsecant 4y ago

It's interesting how tribal the corporate IT universe can get - I am forbidden from installing Chrome, even if I wanted to.

sangnoir 4y ago
Do you use ActiveDirectory for identity? In my experience, most corporates are either AD + Windows , or Google Workspace + Chrome
- idiotsecant 4y ago
  Yep, AD + Windows here.

rglullis 4y ago

Do you know that Ubuntu's number one issue in their bug tracker is "Microsoft has a monopoly on the desktop market"? Plenty of people have to use Windows at work, it doesn't mean that MacOS (or Ubuntu) is a failure, or that they lack focus, or that this would change if alternatives just went to implement what you need. The truth is that Google has built a formidable moat around their browser, and even if Mozilla put it as their one mission to catch up, they wouldn't be able to. Also, the first second that Firefox became a credible threat to Google would be the time that Google would drop all the money that they put into Mozilla.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>Do you know that Ubuntu's number one issue in their bug tracker is "Microsoft has a monopoly on the desktop market"? Plenty of people have to use Windows at work Funny, I had to use Ubuntu 22.04 at my previous backend job and hated every minute of it thanks to snap, gnome, apt, wayland, hibernate, touchpad, and other issues that made me pull my hair out and loose several work hours in tinkering just to attempt to fix them so I can be productive at work. Maybe I was also horribly unlucky, who knows, but IMHO Ubuntu has went from the go-to to being the worst possible Linux distro. I was daily driving Ubuntu 10.XX in college and it wasn't this bad. I get Canonical wants Ubuntu as the competitor for Windows, and they can can cry "wagh! Microsoft monopoly! wagh!" as much as they want, but Ubuntu aint it chief. Linux Mint and others could do it better if they had Canonical's pockets. Similar for Firefox. Basic stuff that's standard in Chrome and Edge, like translation (I live in an EU country who's language I don't fully master) or spell-check, need to be downloaded as extensions/plugins in Firefox, and separate for each language, and the end quality of the Firefox spellcheck still sucks majorly compared to what Chrome has out of the box. I get it, we should support Ubuntu and Firefox because freedom and all that, but I can't when the quality of the products and consumer experience is abysmal compared to the paid competition.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  MS's pockets are big enough for Ubuntu, Mint, and a dozen more.
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Animats 4y ago

If your personal Google account is cancelled, do you become unemployable?

Jarwain 4y ago
Wouldn't they have a corporate suite account used to log in?
- hgsgm 4y ago
  And if they catch you using it they might ban the company you work for by association.
- insanitybit 4y ago
  Yes, that should be obvious. I can't imagine what the parent was thinking.
  - Animats 4y ago
    Can you have more than one Google account per phone? Can you have a Cloud Identity Account without a Personal Account?
    - insanitybit 4y ago
      Yes and yes

XorNot 4y ago

I have never encountered this. Everything I've had to use for work works with Firefox just fine. Chrome gets put on corporate machines because the IT people use Chrome. None of these people seem to regard ad blocking as an internal security feature yet.