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I was laid off a year ago at age 37 and have not been able to get a job since, or even get many interviews. I think at this point I've applied to 77 jobs, heard
by tony_vivaldi 15y ago
I was laid off a year ago at age 37 and have not been able to get a job since, or even get many interviews. I think at this point I've applied to 77 jobs, heard back from 11, and have actually been phone screened by 5.
Most of my experience is in relatively "hot" technology at startups... I have three Rails sites I can point to and worked on an iPhone app with 3 million users, with a node.js and Redis backend. I have a github account. I've solved programming challenges from Facebook, interview street, spotify, etc. I don't think I'm a total slouch, and I've worked with guys FAR worse than I am. It's pretty painful to think about some of the duds that are still employed while I can't even get an interview.
People prescribe keeping skills relevant, but focusing on latest technologies can be a mistake. If I had more experience with Microsoft tech or J2EE I could probably pick up a boring job doing enterprise stuff somewhere in the midwest.
I thought I could always just pick up a job through my network, but a lot of guys my age who were friends at other companies are sort of checked out and are not in a position to hire. The younger guys I met I think just don't want to pull me in because they have plenty of younger friends they could hire first. A lot of tech hiring, especially at the startup level, is hiring guys that you want to be bros with. Generally, you aren't bros with guys 10 or 15 years older than you are.
I never thought I'd be one of the guys in the articles like this, so I'm not sure exactly what to do. I've been working on iPhone apps in my spare time, but at some point I am going to run out of money. It can get very depressing and does quite a number on one's mental health. You feel like you can't socialize because you should be looking for work, and not spending money. Your extended family and friends kind of abandon you because they think something must be wrong with you (maybe there is?). This anxiety and isolation makes it pretty hard to focus and I've been considering trying anti-depressant medications, just so I can finish off my apps. However, I have diminished confidence at this point that having finished iPhone apps will get me any money, or another job. I often feel like I should just stop wasting my time and try to get some sort of dangerous but high paying labor job, like an oil roughneck. Or maybe just move to some cheap developing nation and become some sort of ex-pat weirdo guy?
Another aspect of this, is that it seems kind of weird to even get a job stocking shelves at target, or something. Would they even hire me? Would it be worth it to make the 1400 a month?
I now have a lot of sympathy for the "99%" type people. Those Seth Godin and Friedman pieces about the new economy being no place for average workers are pretty much correct. I wouldn't say I'm a C player but I'd say I'm around a B+. Unfortunately, B+ and 35 or above computer programmer doesn't seem to cut it.
P.S. if anyone has any advice it would be pretty helpful to me and maybe others
- ootachi 15y agoListen to this man. This is the fate of everyone on this site. If you think you're exempt because you're awesome, I'm talking most of all to you. Get out of the tech industry while you still can. There are no jobs in this industry for anyone, even the skilled.
- tony_vivaldi 15y agoPart of the deal is, you don't need very many people to do cool stuff anymore. Instagram is serving probably around 20 million users right now with 7 employes. Facebook is serving 800 million users with 2000 employees. Even if there are 1000 awesome startups, each one of them may only ever need 20 employees.
- ShabbyDoo 15y agoI get calls all the time, and I live in Cleveland. Where's this lack of jobs you're talking about?
- jerf 15y agoThis is an absolutely bizarre claim in light of the fact that the tech industry is the only one in a hiring frenzy through an economy so weak that historians may well end up calling it the second Great Depression, and that programmers are just about the only people left who have a plausible explanation for how robots won't simply take their jobs in 30 years. (Or perhaps rather, the potent combo of robots and their programmers.) I'm in this industry and staying because I'm willing to bet with my feet that you're not just wrong, you're dead wrong. To my mind, the question is what the non-tech jobs will be in 20 years. What do you do? Are you getting out of the tech industry, or merely scoring cheap social posturing points with some fashionable cynicism? Are you taking your own advice, or just posting ad naseum with no actual belief behind it?
- ootachi 15y ago"Programmers are just about the only people left who have a plausible explanation for how robots won't simply take their jobs in 30 years." Unfortunately, they lack a similarly plausible explanation for how cheap offshore labor won't simply take their jobs in fewer than 30 years.