4 ms·

I hope that Copilot X will be brought to other IDEs as well, not just Visual Studio [Code].

efields 4y ago
The sublime plugin for Copilot works well enough already. I'm sure Copilot X will be something you can fold into any editor. I don't understand how so many folks seem to tolerate the UX lag in VSCode
- epolanski 4y ago
  Maybe they have a better machine than you so they don't notice it.
  - jlkuester7 4y ago
    My dev machine is sufficiently beefy (32G of RAM). I recently tried https://lapce.dev/ https://lapce.dev/ and was very surprised that it was noticeably more snappy than VSC. (I am not super sensitive to that kind of thing after years spent in Eclipse/IDEA.). Made me realize how I can just become accustomed to a certain amount of lagging....
    - pzo 4y ago
      I recently tried lapce on my Mac and just empty editor with just one new tab was eating 70% of my CPU. I'd better IDE eat 1-2GB of ram than eat my CPU cycles. Also on their github lapce has more than 50% of open issues labeled as C-Bug - that's not very reassuring
- joshmanders 4y ago
  > I don't understand how so many folks seem to tolerate the UX lag in VSCode A lot of us don't experience any issues. To me, VSCode is just as performant as Sublime is.
  - eitland 4y ago
    I guess what you experience is how I experience 1 px misalignment and similar things that some people always complain about in KDE: I don't notice it at all. Modern software that doesn't react immediately even when running on even more modern hardware however, that grinds my gears.
- acedTrex 4y ago
  VSCode never has any lag for me personally
- crucialfelix 4y ago
  Try disabling all extensions. I know there are startup metrics, and I would expect there are keystroke metrics to understand what's running
rvz 4y ago
Here we go again with the editor lock in as precisely predicted. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27685104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27685104
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  I like how you probably spent more time looking up your multiple-year-old comment that could have instead been used to make sure that you’re not sounding like a fool that doesn’t know what he’s talking about. They have already committed to releasing it to all editors Copilot supports. So, you know, the exact opposite of editor lock in.
  - rvz 4y ago
    > I like how you probably spent more time looking up your multiple-year-old comment that could have instead been used to make sure that you’re not sounding like a fool that doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It took seconds and it is still true and evergreen to this day. Thanks for your so called 'concern'. > They have already committed to releasing it to all editors Copilot supports. So, you know, the exact opposite of editor lock in. They are more 'Committed' to supporting VS Code than giving total feature parity to other editors. Do you really believe everything that Microsoft / OpenAI feeds you?
    - mynameisvlad 4y ago
      Considering they have several third party editor logos in full display on their main landing page, I'm going to believe Microsoft and OpenAI over some random naysayer on the internet who didn't even bother to check. https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x What benefit would they even gain from locking it to their free editor? If anything, VS Code is a way for Microsoft to push other services like Copilot. The strategy has been and continues to be to bring these services to where the developer is.
      - rvz 4y ago
norman784 4y ago
Seems that you didn't bother checked their site before commenting. Check it out here[0], but TLDR: they have VS, VS code, Jetbrains and NeoVim logos in there. [0] https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x
- celeritascelery 4y ago
  I don’t know about jetbrains, but the neovim plug-in is not full featured like the vscode one. For example, it doesn’t have the “explain this code” feature. The repo also does not allow issues or PR’s so you can’t even ask for it to have feature parity. I am a paying GitHub copilot user with the neovim plugin (in Emacs), but I find this second-class treatment frustrating. I expect copilot X to be more of the same, since it is even more deeply integrated into vscode.
- Version467 4y ago
  The page you linked only shows those logos in a block that specifically talks about Copilot, not Copilot X, so I don't see how this implies that Copilot X will come to those platforms as well. (I expect implementations for those platforms to show up eventually, I just don't think the logos on that page are evidence for that.)
- mike_hearn 4y ago
  The blog post we're talking about says specifically: "We are bringing a chat interface to the editor that’s focused on developer scenarios and natively integrates with VS Code and Visual Studio."
highwaylights 4y ago
They've already committed to bringing it to other platforms where Copilot is currently (JetBrains IDE's for example).
mwilsonthomas 4y ago
Hey Mike: see this post for info about Copilot chat in Visual Studio 2022! https://aka.ms/GHCopilotchatVS https://aka.ms/GHCopilotchatVS Hope that helps Cheers Mark Wilson-Thomas Program Manager, Copilot chat for Visual Studio
- mike_hearn 4y ago
  Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply! Actually I was thinking of JetBrains IDEs, but I totally get why you're creating features for your own IDE line. If JetBrains want a similar feature, perhaps they'll have to build it themselves. Hopefully that actually is possible and OpenAI's stuff isn't now locked behind an exclusivity deal.

The sublime plugin for Copilot works well enough already. I'm sure Copilot X will be something you can fold into any editor. I don't understand how so many folks seem to tolerate the UX lag in VSCode

epolanski 4y ago
Maybe they have a better machine than you so they don't notice it.
- jlkuester7 4y ago
  My dev machine is sufficiently beefy (32G of RAM). I recently tried https://lapce.dev/ https://lapce.dev/ and was very surprised that it was noticeably more snappy than VSC. (I am not super sensitive to that kind of thing after years spent in Eclipse/IDEA.). Made me realize how I can just become accustomed to a certain amount of lagging....
  - pzo 4y ago
    I recently tried lapce on my Mac and just empty editor with just one new tab was eating 70% of my CPU. I'd better IDE eat 1-2GB of ram than eat my CPU cycles. Also on their github lapce has more than 50% of open issues labeled as C-Bug - that's not very reassuring
joshmanders 4y ago
> I don't understand how so many folks seem to tolerate the UX lag in VSCode A lot of us don't experience any issues. To me, VSCode is just as performant as Sublime is.
- eitland 4y ago
  I guess what you experience is how I experience 1 px misalignment and similar things that some people always complain about in KDE: I don't notice it at all. Modern software that doesn't react immediately even when running on even more modern hardware however, that grinds my gears.
acedTrex 4y ago
VSCode never has any lag for me personally
crucialfelix 4y ago
Try disabling all extensions. I know there are startup metrics, and I would expect there are keystroke metrics to understand what's running

rvz 4y ago

Here we go again with the editor lock in as precisely predicted. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27685104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27685104

mynameisvlad 4y ago
I like how you probably spent more time looking up your multiple-year-old comment that could have instead been used to make sure that you’re not sounding like a fool that doesn’t know what he’s talking about. They have already committed to releasing it to all editors Copilot supports. So, you know, the exact opposite of editor lock in.
- rvz 4y ago
  > I like how you probably spent more time looking up your multiple-year-old comment that could have instead been used to make sure that you’re not sounding like a fool that doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It took seconds and it is still true and evergreen to this day. Thanks for your so called 'concern'. > They have already committed to releasing it to all editors Copilot supports. So, you know, the exact opposite of editor lock in. They are more 'Committed' to supporting VS Code than giving total feature parity to other editors. Do you really believe everything that Microsoft / OpenAI feeds you?
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    Considering they have several third party editor logos in full display on their main landing page, I'm going to believe Microsoft and OpenAI over some random naysayer on the internet who didn't even bother to check. https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x What benefit would they even gain from locking it to their free editor? If anything, VS Code is a way for Microsoft to push other services like Copilot. The strategy has been and continues to be to bring these services to where the developer is.
    - rvz 4y ago

norman784 4y ago

Seems that you didn't bother checked their site before commenting. Check it out here[0], but TLDR: they have VS, VS code, Jetbrains and NeoVim logos in there. [0] https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x https://github.com/features/preview/copilot-x

celeritascelery 4y ago
I don’t know about jetbrains, but the neovim plug-in is not full featured like the vscode one. For example, it doesn’t have the “explain this code” feature. The repo also does not allow issues or PR’s so you can’t even ask for it to have feature parity. I am a paying GitHub copilot user with the neovim plugin (in Emacs), but I find this second-class treatment frustrating. I expect copilot X to be more of the same, since it is even more deeply integrated into vscode.
Version467 4y ago
The page you linked only shows those logos in a block that specifically talks about Copilot, not Copilot X, so I don't see how this implies that Copilot X will come to those platforms as well. (I expect implementations for those platforms to show up eventually, I just don't think the logos on that page are evidence for that.)
mike_hearn 4y ago
The blog post we're talking about says specifically: "We are bringing a chat interface to the editor that’s focused on developer scenarios and natively integrates with VS Code and Visual Studio."

highwaylights 4y ago

They've already committed to bringing it to other platforms where Copilot is currently (JetBrains IDE's for example).

mwilsonthomas 4y ago

Hey Mike: see this post for info about Copilot chat in Visual Studio 2022! https://aka.ms/GHCopilotchatVS https://aka.ms/GHCopilotchatVS Hope that helps Cheers Mark Wilson-Thomas Program Manager, Copilot chat for Visual Studio

mike_hearn 4y ago
Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply! Actually I was thinking of JetBrains IDEs, but I totally get why you're creating features for your own IDE line. If JetBrains want a similar feature, perhaps they'll have to build it themselves. Hopefully that actually is possible and OpenAI's stuff isn't now locked behind an exclusivity deal.