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imho BEVs are not the solution. give me a tiny battery (PHEV) that can go 50 miles on a charge during the winter and gas. From the Volt, many users on reddit re

imho BEVs are not the solution. give me a tiny battery (PHEV) that can go 50 miles on a charge during the winter and gas. From the Volt, many users on reddit reported that over 90% of their miles were entirely electric. at the same time, they don't have to have range anxiety. I hear over and over again about the supposed complexity introduced, but Volt users who switched to the Bolt on reddit mention that they haven't seen big differences in maintenance costs. The FUD about hybrids is insane. I've yet to read anything convincing enough to lead me that BEV is better than PHEV.

b112 4y ago
The FUD about hybrids is insane. I've yet to read anything convincing enough to lead me that BEV is better than PHEV. I have noticed that the more intense the issue, the more radicalize, high polarized, even lies, emerge. People should be overwhelmed with joy, happiness, that people want hybrids, it gets those who literally cannot use pure electric, to use electric ... as you say, 90% of the time. A win-win! People even relentlessly shoot down h2, with all sorts of made up claims and anger. Yet h2 is better than these massive, heavy, hard to recycle battery packs. There should be happiness at anything that is a line towards less pollution. But no. There are angry camps of "my choice is perfect, and I must deny you your choice!" camps. Ah well. Humans.
sp0ck 4y ago
Toyota has statistics for PHEV's. Majority of users in USA and EU (>70%) don't charge(at least once per week) them at all. Most of the time they just use gasoline and treat them like hybrid car and charge them when there is a benefit (e-car parking spot, etc) Sorry - trying to find source.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  well that makes sense, most people do not have level-2 charging capabilities in their home, nor do they care enough to run an extension cord. the right stat to get would be people who can and want to charge and look at the miles electric vs gas.
  - timbit42 4y ago
    I don't know what percentage of PHEVs can charge at 120v but some can and it seems crazy if some can't because they have 1/10th the battery capacity of an EV and thus can charge in 1/10th the time at 240v but 1/5th the time at 120v, which would be feasible for a full charge within 12 hours, which is sufficient for many people's needs.
timbit42 4y ago
Right now we don't have enough lithium production to get to 100% EV. Until we do, we should focus on PHEVs instead. With 1/10th the battery capacity, they can handle 90% of trips. With the batteries of one EV we can build 10 PHEVs. One EV reduces fuel consumption by 100%. Ten PHEVs reduce fuel consumption by 10 x 90% = 900%. The other benefit is that PHEVs don't have range anxiety. Why is everyone so focused on EVs over PHEVs? I currently have an HEV and plan to buy a PHEV when it needs replaced.

b112 4y ago

The FUD about hybrids is insane. I've yet to read anything convincing enough to lead me that BEV is better than PHEV. I have noticed that the more intense the issue, the more radicalize, high polarized, even lies, emerge. People should be overwhelmed with joy, happiness, that people want hybrids, it gets those who literally cannot use pure electric, to use electric ... as you say, 90% of the time. A win-win! People even relentlessly shoot down h2, with all sorts of made up claims and anger. Yet h2 is better than these massive, heavy, hard to recycle battery packs. There should be happiness at anything that is a line towards less pollution. But no. There are angry camps of "my choice is perfect, and I must deny you your choice!" camps. Ah well. Humans.

sp0ck 4y ago

Toyota has statistics for PHEV's. Majority of users in USA and EU (>70%) don't charge(at least once per week) them at all. Most of the time they just use gasoline and treat them like hybrid car and charge them when there is a benefit (e-car parking spot, etc) Sorry - trying to find source.

endisneigh 4y ago
well that makes sense, most people do not have level-2 charging capabilities in their home, nor do they care enough to run an extension cord. the right stat to get would be people who can and want to charge and look at the miles electric vs gas.
- timbit42 4y ago
  I don't know what percentage of PHEVs can charge at 120v but some can and it seems crazy if some can't because they have 1/10th the battery capacity of an EV and thus can charge in 1/10th the time at 240v but 1/5th the time at 120v, which would be feasible for a full charge within 12 hours, which is sufficient for many people's needs.

timbit42 4y ago

Right now we don't have enough lithium production to get to 100% EV. Until we do, we should focus on PHEVs instead. With 1/10th the battery capacity, they can handle 90% of trips. With the batteries of one EV we can build 10 PHEVs. One EV reduces fuel consumption by 100%. Ten PHEVs reduce fuel consumption by 10 x 90% = 900%. The other benefit is that PHEVs don't have range anxiety. Why is everyone so focused on EVs over PHEVs? I currently have an HEV and plan to buy a PHEV when it needs replaced.