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I think we should start hiring in the US :D that's horrible. We do 30 mins of chit chat (general fit) and then meet the team + quick deep-dive on tech without f

I think we should start hiring in the US :D that's horrible. We do 30 mins of chit chat (general fit) and then meet the team + quick deep-dive on tech without flip charts or any tests (the German market doesn't work like that). And that's it. The second meeting on site including pizza with the team.

konschubert 4y ago
I've had interviews like this and it was weird. Like... don't you want to see my skills?
- mywittyname 4y ago
  You can chitchat and learn someone's skills. It takes practice, but it's the same skill set for solving problems. Ask what they did, what problems they encountered, and dig in three levels on the interesting topics.
- RamblingCTO 4y ago
  I would prefer to see actual code you've written, GitHub or something. I don't care about fantasy logic tests on a whiteboard, I feel they are non-predictive. I also always talk about values (clean code, writing tests etc.) and you get a feel about aligned values. And most importantly, in a small company the team fit is the biggest thing of all.
mathverse 4y ago
I work for a german scaleup and I had a full day interview. It was not a horrible leet code stuff but it was definitely a time killer. Can you share the name of your company or a way to contact you?
- RamblingCTO 4y ago
  Sure: cs@do24.eu
em500 4y ago
German (and most other non-US) companies offer much lower compensations for devs than US companies. This is an aspect that I find most often overlooked in the complaints about tough US dev interviews. The compensation for US devs is extremely high, both compared to other US jobs, and to non-US dev jobs. The FAANG get literally millions of applications per year, so the interviews must be setup to fail the vast majority of applicants.
- bradlys 4y ago
  Yeah, the whole reason these practices even exist in the US is purely due to compensation. If the compensation was lower - no one would bother. This is why you see companies that do these practices but don't pay FAANG wages having a much harder time hiring - while FAANG never has any problems hiring ever.
- RamblingCTO 4y ago
  Might be, sure. But we have social security, lower costs of living and stuff like that. We need to compare real compensation plus other soft factors like happiness, feeling of security etc. Also talking about the top 1% is not that interesting, because most companies behaving like they are FAANG just aren't FAANG ;) /edit: but I agree that wages need to increase in Europe overall for developers!

konschubert 4y ago

I've had interviews like this and it was weird. Like... don't you want to see my skills?

mywittyname 4y ago
You can chitchat and learn someone's skills. It takes practice, but it's the same skill set for solving problems. Ask what they did, what problems they encountered, and dig in three levels on the interesting topics.
RamblingCTO 4y ago
I would prefer to see actual code you've written, GitHub or something. I don't care about fantasy logic tests on a whiteboard, I feel they are non-predictive. I also always talk about values (clean code, writing tests etc.) and you get a feel about aligned values. And most importantly, in a small company the team fit is the biggest thing of all.

mathverse 4y ago

I work for a german scaleup and I had a full day interview. It was not a horrible leet code stuff but it was definitely a time killer. Can you share the name of your company or a way to contact you?

RamblingCTO 4y ago
Sure: cs@do24.eu

em500 4y ago

German (and most other non-US) companies offer much lower compensations for devs than US companies. This is an aspect that I find most often overlooked in the complaints about tough US dev interviews. The compensation for US devs is extremely high, both compared to other US jobs, and to non-US dev jobs. The FAANG get literally millions of applications per year, so the interviews must be setup to fail the vast majority of applicants.

bradlys 4y ago
Yeah, the whole reason these practices even exist in the US is purely due to compensation. If the compensation was lower - no one would bother. This is why you see companies that do these practices but don't pay FAANG wages having a much harder time hiring - while FAANG never has any problems hiring ever.
RamblingCTO 4y ago
Might be, sure. But we have social security, lower costs of living and stuff like that. We need to compare real compensation plus other soft factors like happiness, feeling of security etc. Also talking about the top 1% is not that interesting, because most companies behaving like they are FAANG just aren't FAANG ;) /edit: but I agree that wages need to increase in Europe overall for developers!