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> The personality tests can fuck right off, though. Disagree. I can train you to do your job but can't train you to have a better personality. If someone has

by yucky 4y ago

> The personality tests can fuck right off, though. Disagree. I can train you to do your job but can't train you to have a better personality. If someone has a toxic personality I would like to screen them out before sinking time into them.

zbentley 4y ago
I suspect OP was referring to myers-briggs questionarres or similarly borderline-pseudoscience survey based means of answering "are you a $a or a $b?". I agree that personality is an important thing to consider in interviews. But trying to gauge it with tools like that is at best a waste of time and at worst actively misleading.
bick_nyers 4y ago
Then you would need to screen them for personality disorders such as narcicism, not for how introverted they are or how much they appreciate art. No, neuroticism isn't what you are looking for either, neither is conscientiousness. It can be argued that for an academic position you would want high conscientiousness, but I think many would argue that you want some of your professors to have disorganized, messy offices.
SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
The problem is that the most common "personality test", the "Myers-Briggs" has nothing to do with "personality", let alone "toxic personality", so an argument about "personality" is not an argument for that particular personality test. This is a bait-and-switch dishonest argument - the gap between them is exactly the problem. This is because the "Myers-Briggs" is hogwash, with as much predictive power of personality as astrology. i.e. none. If the people administering them are using them for the intended purpose, they're rejecting candidates on nothing more than a roll of the dice. If not, then as others suggest, they are covert way of "screening for neurodivergent people"" So: This _personality test_ can fuck right off. I doubt that any other quick multiple choice questionnaires are much better. If anyone wants to claim that they're worth anything, show the proof please. https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjv8y5/the-myers-briggs-personality-test-bullshit https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjv8y5/the-myers-briggs-pers... https://amanda-obryan.medium.com/9-reasons-the-myers-briggs-personality-test-is-trash-and-companies-should-never-use-it-again-5fc95eac6d02 https://amanda-obryan.medium.com/9-reasons-the-myers-briggs-... https://www.businessinsider.com/most-personality-tests-junk-science-make-you-cling-to-label-2020-7?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/most-personality-tests-junk-...

by yucky 4y ago

zbentley 4y ago

I suspect OP was referring to myers-briggs questionarres or similarly borderline-pseudoscience survey based means of answering "are you a $a or a $b?". I agree that personality is an important thing to consider in interviews. But trying to gauge it with tools like that is at best a waste of time and at worst actively misleading.

bick_nyers 4y ago

Then you would need to screen them for personality disorders such as narcicism, not for how introverted they are or how much they appreciate art. No, neuroticism isn't what you are looking for either, neither is conscientiousness. It can be argued that for an academic position you would want high conscientiousness, but I think many would argue that you want some of your professors to have disorganized, messy offices.

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago

The problem is that the most common "personality test", the "Myers-Briggs" has nothing to do with "personality", let alone "toxic personality", so an argument about "personality" is not an argument for that particular personality test. This is a bait-and-switch dishonest argument - the gap between them is exactly the problem. This is because the "Myers-Briggs" is hogwash, with as much predictive power of personality as astrology. i.e. none. If the people administering them are using them for the intended purpose, they're rejecting candidates on nothing more than a roll of the dice. If not, then as others suggest, they are covert way of "screening for neurodivergent people"" So: This _personality test_ can fuck right off. I doubt that any other quick multiple choice questionnaires are much better. If anyone wants to claim that they're worth anything, show the proof please. https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjv8y5/the-myers-briggs-personality-test-bullshit https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjv8y5/the-myers-briggs-pers... https://amanda-obryan.medium.com/9-reasons-the-myers-briggs-personality-test-is-trash-and-companies-should-never-use-it-again-5fc95eac6d02 https://amanda-obryan.medium.com/9-reasons-the-myers-briggs-... https://www.businessinsider.com/most-personality-tests-junk-science-make-you-cling-to-label-2020-7?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/most-personality-tests-junk-...