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You're going to apply that moniker to any criticism of the status quo if it comes from an opponent of said status quo so why bother engaging with you at all? W

You're going to apply that moniker to any criticism of the status quo if it comes from an opponent of said status quo so why bother engaging with you at all? What facts do you have to show you're even capable of detaching from you own bias enough to properly determine what is and is not objective or even bother reading the evidence if it came from someone the colonial capitalist hegemony dislikes? You ask for facts yet discount the provided evidence without even reading it. Seems you dont actually want facts at all.

FooBarBizBazz 4y ago
Hold on, hold on. joemazerino wrote: > notorious anti-Western Leftists. deserialized wrote: > colonial capitalist hegemony We're running forward with a weird binary. Things are lumped together that shouldn't be, and things are put in opposition that shouldn't be. What makes "Leftism" anti-"colonial" or anti-"Western"? Why should the words "Western", "colonial", and "capitalist" go together? The West gave us Leftism. Leftism, in its internationalist flavors, is a universalist ideology that tries to spread everywhere -- to "colonize" the world. And what even is "capitalism"? Is it trade and commerce? These have been practiced ubiquitously outside the West forever. What is uniquely "Western" about them? And if we're going to be talking about "The West", what is the other side of the dichotomy here? Are we restricting attention to Eurasia and saying "The East", like "The Occident and the Orient"? Surely there is nothing especially "Leftist" about East Asia -- yes it has China and Vietnam, but it also has Japan and South Korea. Or are we actually restricting attention to Europe, so "East" means "Russia"? Is there anything "Leftist" about that? Last I saw, their propaganda featured Orthodox icons. Or by "West" do you actually mean something like "Europe" or even "white people", in "colonial" opposition to, say, Africa, in which case the opposite of "West" actually becomes "South", as in "Global South"? Remember you're talking about Michael Moore, who is borderline unacceptable in those circles. Or, remember the phrase this started with, "private opulence and public squalor". Does this phrase not describe the very "south" that is supposedly its opponent? And isn't it Europe where there is public opulence, and where squalor is hidden and made private? So then which people, ideas, and words actually belong together? Which are in natural opposition? Maybe we don't need to do all this associating to "West" and "Left" and "colonization". Maybe we should just stick to the paired dichotomies in the title: "public vs. private" and "opulence vs. squalor". Surely that's enough?
- deserialized 4y ago
  What words would you prefer to describe adherents to an ideology that seeks to use colonization as a means to capture the public assets of another sovereign nation into private ownership for the benefit of a small number of capitalists then? And what words would you prefer to use to describe those who seek to undermine their efforts?

FooBarBizBazz 4y ago

Hold on, hold on. joemazerino wrote: > notorious anti-Western Leftists. deserialized wrote: > colonial capitalist hegemony We're running forward with a weird binary. Things are lumped together that shouldn't be, and things are put in opposition that shouldn't be. What makes "Leftism" anti-"colonial" or anti-"Western"? Why should the words "Western", "colonial", and "capitalist" go together? The West gave us Leftism. Leftism, in its internationalist flavors, is a universalist ideology that tries to spread everywhere -- to "colonize" the world. And what even is "capitalism"? Is it trade and commerce? These have been practiced ubiquitously outside the West forever. What is uniquely "Western" about them? And if we're going to be talking about "The West", what is the other side of the dichotomy here? Are we restricting attention to Eurasia and saying "The East", like "The Occident and the Orient"? Surely there is nothing especially "Leftist" about East Asia -- yes it has China and Vietnam, but it also has Japan and South Korea. Or are we actually restricting attention to Europe, so "East" means "Russia"? Is there anything "Leftist" about that? Last I saw, their propaganda featured Orthodox icons. Or by "West" do you actually mean something like "Europe" or even "white people", in "colonial" opposition to, say, Africa, in which case the opposite of "West" actually becomes "South", as in "Global South"? Remember you're talking about Michael Moore, who is borderline unacceptable in those circles. Or, remember the phrase this started with, "private opulence and public squalor". Does this phrase not describe the very "south" that is supposedly its opponent? And isn't it Europe where there is public opulence, and where squalor is hidden and made private? So then which people, ideas, and words actually belong together? Which are in natural opposition? Maybe we don't need to do all this associating to "West" and "Left" and "colonization". Maybe we should just stick to the paired dichotomies in the title: "public vs. private" and "opulence vs. squalor". Surely that's enough?

deserialized 4y ago
What words would you prefer to describe adherents to an ideology that seeks to use colonization as a means to capture the public assets of another sovereign nation into private ownership for the benefit of a small number of capitalists then? And what words would you prefer to use to describe those who seek to undermine their efforts?