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Hasura is also FOSS

zwily 4y ago
Hasura is open core. Given the massive price increase they just did for their hosted version, I’d expect more and more future features will not land in core at all, to push people to pay.
- klabb3 4y ago
  It’s already quite bad unfortunately. Both support for read replicas and metrics(!) are not in the open source version. They have a prometheus exporter but not on free, afaik. I was also concerned with people reporting memory consumption/leak issues, as I’m planning to have lots of subscriptions. I don’t know haskell well enough, but from the outside it does match the symptoms of having dug themselves into an architectural complexity hole, which I assume is much harder to navigate with unorthodox tooling and practices. Im still rooting for hasura, I like their way of making things dumb, simple and without too much technophilia for its own sake. They genuinely want you to focus on your business problems instead of blasting you with novel and overengineered concepts, like others do.
  - zwily 4y ago
    Yeah, I love the product. I’ve been using it a few years in a fairly complicated internal tool used by a dozen people, and it’s been amazing. But I’m pretty discouraged by what I see as its future.
  - tango12 4y ago
    (from Hasura) Scaling subscriptions is hard, but we work with our users/customers at scale to make sure settings are tweaked correctly. We have users running 100k - 1M concurrent users in production for live-event type platforms. It's not completely trivial to benchmark and setup because query patterns, streaming vs live queries etc have an impact, but it works very reliably. No missing events, no problems disconnecting/reconnecting, no need for sticky sessions and so on. An initial POC benchmark [1] should be a quick affair so if you're trying it out and run into any problems, please hit me up! Email on my bio. [1]: https://github.com/hasura/graphql-bench https://github.com/hasura/graphql-bench
    - klabb3 4y ago
      Thanks, that looks reassuring. I will let share my own benchmarks too if I get around to it.
- tough 4y ago
  AFAIK I have not run supabase in my own infra but they seem to allow you to do so and are quite good citizens publishing all their built tools on top of pg or whatever and as far as I remember with sane licenses. I love supabase, neon are new-ish but a great alterantive for hosted serverless databases (they also did a great staging-db-for-pr's) when launched that we integrated at work quite soon while on beta and saved a lot of headaches of introducing new features that touched database before
  - kiwicopple 4y ago
    > sane licenses FYI, our policy is to use only MIT, Apache2, or PostgreSQL licenses. You can run it all on your own infra, with instructions here: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/self-hosting https://supabase.com/docs/guides/self-hosting
- tango12 4y ago
  Hasura CEO here. Totally hear you. We're working on a new serverless infrastructure layer that'll make the pricing better for users compared to a DIY API server or to a self-hosted Hasura. It's a significant engineering lift on our side - at its core we're engineering Hasura to achieve 90%+ infrastructure utlization (no cold-start, sub-millisecond auto-scaling), and that's what will allow us to do this. Not there yet, but we'll be demo-ing and talking about the engineering at HasuraCon in June!
  - zwily 4y ago
    Thanks for the response. I’ve loved using Hasura and really want to see the company succeed while still having a business model where I can use it for small projects. Excited to see what you come up with.

Hasura is also FOSS

Hasura is open core. Given the massive price increase they just did for their hosted version, I’d expect more and more future features will not land in core at all, to push people to pay.

klabb3 4y ago
It’s already quite bad unfortunately. Both support for read replicas and metrics(!) are not in the open source version. They have a prometheus exporter but not on free, afaik. I was also concerned with people reporting memory consumption/leak issues, as I’m planning to have lots of subscriptions. I don’t know haskell well enough, but from the outside it does match the symptoms of having dug themselves into an architectural complexity hole, which I assume is much harder to navigate with unorthodox tooling and practices. Im still rooting for hasura, I like their way of making things dumb, simple and without too much technophilia for its own sake. They genuinely want you to focus on your business problems instead of blasting you with novel and overengineered concepts, like others do.
- zwily 4y ago
  Yeah, I love the product. I’ve been using it a few years in a fairly complicated internal tool used by a dozen people, and it’s been amazing. But I’m pretty discouraged by what I see as its future.
- tango12 4y ago
  (from Hasura) Scaling subscriptions is hard, but we work with our users/customers at scale to make sure settings are tweaked correctly. We have users running 100k - 1M concurrent users in production for live-event type platforms. It's not completely trivial to benchmark and setup because query patterns, streaming vs live queries etc have an impact, but it works very reliably. No missing events, no problems disconnecting/reconnecting, no need for sticky sessions and so on. An initial POC benchmark [1] should be a quick affair so if you're trying it out and run into any problems, please hit me up! Email on my bio. [1]: https://github.com/hasura/graphql-bench https://github.com/hasura/graphql-bench
  - klabb3 4y ago
    Thanks, that looks reassuring. I will let share my own benchmarks too if I get around to it.
tough 4y ago
AFAIK I have not run supabase in my own infra but they seem to allow you to do so and are quite good citizens publishing all their built tools on top of pg or whatever and as far as I remember with sane licenses. I love supabase, neon are new-ish but a great alterantive for hosted serverless databases (they also did a great staging-db-for-pr's) when launched that we integrated at work quite soon while on beta and saved a lot of headaches of introducing new features that touched database before
- kiwicopple 4y ago
  > sane licenses FYI, our policy is to use only MIT, Apache2, or PostgreSQL licenses. You can run it all on your own infra, with instructions here: https://supabase.com/docs/guides/self-hosting https://supabase.com/docs/guides/self-hosting
tango12 4y ago
Hasura CEO here. Totally hear you. We're working on a new serverless infrastructure layer that'll make the pricing better for users compared to a DIY API server or to a self-hosted Hasura. It's a significant engineering lift on our side - at its core we're engineering Hasura to achieve 90%+ infrastructure utlization (no cold-start, sub-millisecond auto-scaling), and that's what will allow us to do this. Not there yet, but we'll be demo-ing and talking about the engineering at HasuraCon in June!
- zwily 4y ago
  Thanks for the response. I’ve loved using Hasura and really want to see the company succeed while still having a business model where I can use it for small projects. Excited to see what you come up with.