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Every democracy is toothless when people from the yachts join the game. Every.

v4dok 4y ago
You would be surprized how well direct democracy works in Switzerland. Proper political culture and a fairly good standard of living is the trick. The same trick Athens used back then.
- expertentipp 4y ago
  Yes of course, sir/madam.. but a penthouse overlooking the lake, and a German limousine - would that make you rethink this at least?
  - dwattttt 4y ago
    You're going to rapidly run out of limousines and lakeside penthouses if you need to persuade a majority of the Swiss
    - expertentipp 4y ago
      Once we run out of German maybe Austrian limousine, sir? We have enough for you and your entire family. I know the people will talk, but we're discreet and provide it with a driver - for life.
      - v4dok 4y ago
        You've clearly never been to Switzerland. If that worked (which it wouldn't), you would have better luck with bikes.
        expertentipp 4y ago
        Incorrect! What I learned is that they like their money.
bilekas 4y ago
That's simply not true and in the case of Switzerland, for this very reason they have their version of Direct Democracy. I's worth looking up how it works. There is no "well lets just ignore the people". https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/switzerland-direct-democracy-explained/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/switzerland-direct-de...
- mamonster 4y ago
  Except even in Switzerland there are topics we cannot actually push through with an initiative. We had a vote in 2014 about a very specific way to restrict immigration into Switzerland, it was voted through, but Federal Government wasn't willing to nuke our economic relations with Europe so now if you are advertising for a job in Switzerland you first have to make sure Swiss people don't fulfil your criteria before you hire a foreign person(i.e that is the result of an initiative whose aim was to restrict asylum and Shengen agreement movement).
  - bilekas 4y ago
    Even in this case if I remember correctly there was a version of it implemented in 2016, it is a strange edge case though which would endanger the EEC agreements already in place between the EU and CH. This specific case of the Credit Suisse doesn't appear (to my as a layman) to be in contention of anything external to CH.
  - ExoticPearTree 4y ago
    Your government should have implemented what the people voted. The fact that they could get away with it is a clear sign that they can ignore what you vote on without any consequence.

You would be surprized how well direct democracy works in Switzerland. Proper political culture and a fairly good standard of living is the trick. The same trick Athens used back then.

expertentipp 4y ago
Yes of course, sir/madam.. but a penthouse overlooking the lake, and a German limousine - would that make you rethink this at least?
- dwattttt 4y ago
  You're going to rapidly run out of limousines and lakeside penthouses if you need to persuade a majority of the Swiss
  - expertentipp 4y ago
    Once we run out of German maybe Austrian limousine, sir? We have enough for you and your entire family. I know the people will talk, but we're discreet and provide it with a driver - for life.
    - v4dok 4y ago
      You've clearly never been to Switzerland. If that worked (which it wouldn't), you would have better luck with bikes.
      - expertentipp 4y ago
        Incorrect! What I learned is that they like their money.

bilekas 4y ago

That's simply not true and in the case of Switzerland, for this very reason they have their version of Direct Democracy. I's worth looking up how it works. There is no "well lets just ignore the people". https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/switzerland-direct-democracy-explained/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/switzerland-direct-de...

mamonster 4y ago
Except even in Switzerland there are topics we cannot actually push through with an initiative. We had a vote in 2014 about a very specific way to restrict immigration into Switzerland, it was voted through, but Federal Government wasn't willing to nuke our economic relations with Europe so now if you are advertising for a job in Switzerland you first have to make sure Swiss people don't fulfil your criteria before you hire a foreign person(i.e that is the result of an initiative whose aim was to restrict asylum and Shengen agreement movement).
- bilekas 4y ago
  Even in this case if I remember correctly there was a version of it implemented in 2016, it is a strange edge case though which would endanger the EEC agreements already in place between the EU and CH. This specific case of the Credit Suisse doesn't appear (to my as a layman) to be in contention of anything external to CH.
- ExoticPearTree 4y ago
  Your government should have implemented what the people voted. The fact that they could get away with it is a clear sign that they can ignore what you vote on without any consequence.