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The use of "macOS" capitalization somehow makes it appear as if it's about the current Apple OS, when in fact this is about classic MacOS.

by exitb 4y ago

doomlaser 4y ago
Mac OS, to be pendantic about styling :)
- lproven 4y ago
  Nope. No space. MacOS == System 1 to MacOS 9. Mac OS == OS X == 10.0 to 10.12. macOS == 10.13 to 13.
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    > MacOS == System 1 to MacOS 9. I can't speak to previous releases, but Mac OS 9 definitely used a space. (Before looking it up I would've bet on "no space" too, BTW.) https://imagej.nih.gov/ij/docs/install/images/about.gif https://imagej.nih.gov/ij/docs/install/images/about.gif
    - atdrummond 4y ago
      I believe the space was added when they formally renamed the operating system Mac OS in 1996 (with System 7, specifically 7.6).
      - chongli 4y ago
        System 7.5.1 and later used the name Mac OS in its boot screen [1] but the boxes still said “Macintosh System 7.5” [2] up until the release of 7.6. [1] https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/12/69888558_ee83d000f9.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/12/69888558_ee83d000f9.jpg [2] https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?image_uri=https:%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fengadget-public-production%2Fproduct%2F30%2Fnfi%2Fmac-os-75-2ifd.jpg&thumbnail=640%2C&client=49kdj93ncb8s938hkdo&signature=9efe9412a9f6da85bc1619b901544341598fea3b https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?image_uri=https:%2F%2Fs3.am...
        luckman212 4y ago
        When I clicked link#2 above I got nostalgic. The URL had my mind conjuring up images of AOLs CDN, powered by a massive array of beige Quadra 650s with AOL discs in their CD-ROM drives. I do miss System 7.
  - tgma 4y ago
    Actually there was a period when they dropped Mac altogether and called it "OS X" (Mountain Lion era)
    - lproven 4y ago
      Good point!
    - luckman212 4y ago
      My friends and I used to pronounce this "Oh Ess Ex", which I now know to be incorrect[0] It's a hard habit to drop. [0]: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/2549/whats-the-proper-way-to-pronounce-mac-os-x https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/2549/whats-the-pro...
  - fzzzy 4y ago
    Mac OS always had a space. Before it was called Mac OS, it was called the System Software.
    - lproven 4y ago
      > Mac OS always had a space. [[Citation needed]]] > Before it was called Mac OS, it was called the System Software. Yes, true.
  - IIsi50MHz 4y ago
    > MacOS == System 1 to MacOS 9. I seem to recall that versions prior to 7.5 were "Macintosh System Software".
    - lproven 4y ago
      True. I probably would have been better off saying "MacOS == 'Classic'."
troad 4y ago
I really look forward to reliable (modern) macOS emulation, a la wine. I miss some of my wee little Mac utilities / games now that I’m in Linux full-time. I’m rooting for the guys working on stuff like Darling[0], but it looks like they still have a long road ahead. [0] https://darlinghq.org/ https://darlinghq.org/
- drewg123 4y ago
  I took a look at their page, and they say that they "finally have basic experimental support for running simple graphical applications". However, their blogs/progress reports are 4 years old. Do you know how far along their support for graphical apps is? Running GUI apps is what's going to make this useful, and is what nobody else (AFAIK) was ever able to do.
  - troad 4y ago
    Their GitHub is active, and they have a Discord. I don’t do Discord, but if you do, you could probably follow their progress on there. As of 2020, graphical app support appeared to be basic but somewhat functional: https://github.com/darlinghq/darling/issues/657 https://github.com/darlinghq/darling/issues/657 I agree that GUI apps are the real use case here. Honestly, reversing and recreating the MacOS APIs is such a mammoth effort though, I can understand why progress would be slow. Wine faced a similar struggle, but also had an urgent need driving it: we needed Win apps to work to make Linux viable for most people. That’s less the case for Mac apps, so Darling is by necessity more of a passion project.
Gys 4y ago
Yes, if I remember correctly this can only run Mac OS 9. Strange that this is not mentioned (?) on the github page.
- RuggedPineapple 4y ago
  It can run up to OS 9, not just OS 9. It'll run any classic Mac OS that supports PPC, so I think that takes you back to the 7.5 line.
  - Findecanor 4y ago
    Please don't call it "OS 9" on the Internet. Googling for OS-9 resources is difficult enough as it is. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-9#Name_conflicts_and_court_decisions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-9#Name_conflicts_and_court_...>
    - MarcoZavala 4y ago
      [dead]
    - mattl 4y ago
      If I search for “OS 9” without any quotes or anything I get the Wikipedia article for Mac OS 9. I think it’s fine. There’s enough niners out there keeping things alive.
      - Aloha 4y ago
        I think that was what the poster was implying was the problem. MacOS 9 and OS-9 are not the same thing. OS-9 is a Real Time OS originally for 6800/68000 processors.
        IncRnd 4y ago
        It's not really an issue. Searching for os 9 gives one OS's results. Searching for mac os 9 gives the other OS's results. Super easy.

The use of "macOS" capitalization somehow makes it appear as if it's about the current Apple OS, when in fact this is about classic MacOS.

by exitb 4y ago

The use of "macOS" capitalization somehow makes it appear as if it's about the current Apple OS, when in fact this is about classic MacOS.

doomlaser 4y ago

Mac OS, to be pendantic about styling :)

lproven 4y ago
Nope. No space. MacOS == System 1 to MacOS 9. Mac OS == OS X == 10.0 to 10.12. macOS == 10.13 to 13.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > MacOS == System 1 to MacOS 9. I can't speak to previous releases, but Mac OS 9 definitely used a space. (Before looking it up I would've bet on "no space" too, BTW.) https://imagej.nih.gov/ij/docs/install/images/about.gif https://imagej.nih.gov/ij/docs/install/images/about.gif
  - atdrummond 4y ago
    I believe the space was added when they formally renamed the operating system Mac OS in 1996 (with System 7, specifically 7.6).
    - chongli 4y ago
      System 7.5.1 and later used the name Mac OS in its boot screen [1] but the boxes still said “Macintosh System 7.5” [2] up until the release of 7.6. [1] https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/12/69888558_ee83d000f9.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/12/69888558_ee83d000f9.jpg [2] https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?image_uri=https:%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fengadget-public-production%2Fproduct%2F30%2Fnfi%2Fmac-os-75-2ifd.jpg&thumbnail=640%2C&client=49kdj93ncb8s938hkdo&signature=9efe9412a9f6da85bc1619b901544341598fea3b https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?image_uri=https:%2F%2Fs3.am...
      - luckman212 4y ago
        When I clicked link#2 above I got nostalgic. The URL had my mind conjuring up images of AOLs CDN, powered by a massive array of beige Quadra 650s with AOL discs in their CD-ROM drives. I do miss System 7.
- tgma 4y ago
  Actually there was a period when they dropped Mac altogether and called it "OS X" (Mountain Lion era)
  - lproven 4y ago
    Good point!
  - luckman212 4y ago
    My friends and I used to pronounce this "Oh Ess Ex", which I now know to be incorrect[0] It's a hard habit to drop. [0]: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/2549/whats-the-proper-way-to-pronounce-mac-os-x https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/2549/whats-the-pro...
- fzzzy 4y ago
  Mac OS always had a space. Before it was called Mac OS, it was called the System Software.
  - lproven 4y ago
    > Mac OS always had a space. [[Citation needed]]] > Before it was called Mac OS, it was called the System Software. Yes, true.
- IIsi50MHz 4y ago
  > MacOS == System 1 to MacOS 9. I seem to recall that versions prior to 7.5 were "Macintosh System Software".
  - lproven 4y ago
    True. I probably would have been better off saying "MacOS == 'Classic'."

troad 4y ago

I really look forward to reliable (modern) macOS emulation, a la wine. I miss some of my wee little Mac utilities / games now that I’m in Linux full-time. I’m rooting for the guys working on stuff like Darling[0], but it looks like they still have a long road ahead. [0] https://darlinghq.org/ https://darlinghq.org/

drewg123 4y ago
I took a look at their page, and they say that they "finally have basic experimental support for running simple graphical applications". However, their blogs/progress reports are 4 years old. Do you know how far along their support for graphical apps is? Running GUI apps is what's going to make this useful, and is what nobody else (AFAIK) was ever able to do.
- troad 4y ago
  Their GitHub is active, and they have a Discord. I don’t do Discord, but if you do, you could probably follow their progress on there. As of 2020, graphical app support appeared to be basic but somewhat functional: https://github.com/darlinghq/darling/issues/657 https://github.com/darlinghq/darling/issues/657 I agree that GUI apps are the real use case here. Honestly, reversing and recreating the MacOS APIs is such a mammoth effort though, I can understand why progress would be slow. Wine faced a similar struggle, but also had an urgent need driving it: we needed Win apps to work to make Linux viable for most people. That’s less the case for Mac apps, so Darling is by necessity more of a passion project.

Gys 4y ago

Yes, if I remember correctly this can only run Mac OS 9. Strange that this is not mentioned (?) on the github page.

RuggedPineapple 4y ago
It can run up to OS 9, not just OS 9. It'll run any classic Mac OS that supports PPC, so I think that takes you back to the 7.5 line.
- Findecanor 4y ago
  Please don't call it "OS 9" on the Internet. Googling for OS-9 resources is difficult enough as it is. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-9#Name_conflicts_and_court_decisions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-9#Name_conflicts_and_court_...>
  - MarcoZavala 4y ago
    [dead]
  - mattl 4y ago
    If I search for “OS 9” without any quotes or anything I get the Wikipedia article for Mac OS 9. I think it’s fine. There’s enough niners out there keeping things alive.
    - Aloha 4y ago
      I think that was what the poster was implying was the problem. MacOS 9 and OS-9 are not the same thing. OS-9 is a Real Time OS originally for 6800/68000 processors.
      - IncRnd 4y ago
        It's not really an issue. Searching for os 9 gives one OS's results. Searching for mac os 9 gives the other OS's results. Super easy.