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What most people consider a rhyme is that the vowel and coda of the last syllable match (of course we don't mostly reach for the technical definition). I guess

What most people consider a rhyme is that the vowel and coda of the last syllable match (of course we don't mostly reach for the technical definition). I guess the examples there might be accent dependent. Protein/poutine is the only one of those first examples that really rhymes to me; skeleton/gelatin and cactus/practice both have different vowels. Maybe different for you though.

igravious 4y ago
> What most people consider a rhyme is that the vowel and coda of the last syllable match ??? Oh yeah, says who? protein / poutine p[]oh teen / poo teen => both start with a p, then there's an oh or oo (which are similar) and both end the same way – disyllabic rhyme cactus / practice ? []ah ck təss / []ah ck tiss => ignoring the first consonant (cluster) which anchors the rhyme and pronouncing the u as a schwa (which it is), the ck's are the same and təss and tiss are totes similar – disyllabic rhyme skeleton / gelatin ? trisyllabic goodness – again, the way we pronounce the on in first word is not like the on in frond but like the ən in motion (UHn) and the way we pronounce the at in the second word is not like the at in bat or cat but like the ət in … hmm, none spring to mind but it's an UHt sound here if you listen to it – sgɛ́lɪtən or ˈskelɪtən – ˈʤelətɪn – so you've k vying with g (both hard), e with e, l with l, ɪ with ə (close sounding!), t with t, ə with ɪ (close sounding!), n with n === listen with your ears, not with your eyes
porphyra 4y ago
Protein and poutine do not rhyme if you pronounce poutine the proper way in Canadian French. And you are right of course that gelatin and practice have the short "ee" sound at the end whereas skeleton and and cactus have the "uh" sound.
- cableshaft 4y ago
  > Protein and poutine do not rhyme if you pronounce poutine the proper way in Canadian French. I looked it up, and sure, it sounds about the same in Canadian French as someone saying Vladimir Putin[1]. But I've never heard anyone say it that way myself, and in neutral French (according to the linked video, at least), it's pronounced 'pooh-teen', which sounds exactly like protein (I don't know if you pronounce protein different, but for me it's 'pro-teen'). [1]: https://youtu.be/yyis4TgmXYg https://youtu.be/yyis4TgmXYg
  - porphyra 4y ago
    There's a funny restaurant called Vladimir Poutine in Montréal lol: https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb7qwb/inside-vladimir-poutine-montreals-dictator-themed-restaurant https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb7qwb/inside-vladimir-pouti...

igravious 4y ago

> What most people consider a rhyme is that the vowel and coda of the last syllable match ??? Oh yeah, says who? protein / poutine p[]oh teen / poo teen => both start with a p, then there's an oh or oo (which are similar) and both end the same way – disyllabic rhyme cactus / practice ? []ah ck təss / []ah ck tiss => ignoring the first consonant (cluster) which anchors the rhyme and pronouncing the u as a schwa (which it is), the ck's are the same and təss and tiss are totes similar – disyllabic rhyme skeleton / gelatin ? trisyllabic goodness – again, the way we pronounce the on in first word is not like the on in frond but like the ən in motion (UHn) and the way we pronounce the at in the second word is not like the at in bat or cat but like the ət in … hmm, none spring to mind but it's an UHt sound here if you listen to it – sgɛ́lɪtən or ˈskelɪtən – ˈʤelətɪn – so you've k vying with g (both hard), e with e, l with l, ɪ with ə (close sounding!), t with t, ə with ɪ (close sounding!), n with n === listen with your ears, not with your eyes

porphyra 4y ago

Protein and poutine do not rhyme if you pronounce poutine the proper way in Canadian French. And you are right of course that gelatin and practice have the short "ee" sound at the end whereas skeleton and and cactus have the "uh" sound.

cableshaft 4y ago
> Protein and poutine do not rhyme if you pronounce poutine the proper way in Canadian French. I looked it up, and sure, it sounds about the same in Canadian French as someone saying Vladimir Putin[1]. But I've never heard anyone say it that way myself, and in neutral French (according to the linked video, at least), it's pronounced 'pooh-teen', which sounds exactly like protein (I don't know if you pronounce protein different, but for me it's 'pro-teen'). [1]: https://youtu.be/yyis4TgmXYg https://youtu.be/yyis4TgmXYg
- porphyra 4y ago
  There's a funny restaurant called Vladimir Poutine in Montréal lol: https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb7qwb/inside-vladimir-poutine-montreals-dictator-themed-restaurant https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb7qwb/inside-vladimir-pouti...