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Data is for sale for nearly every public interaction you have, every dollar you spend, every medical appointment, your location from your phone, really just eve

Data is for sale for nearly every public interaction you have, every dollar you spend, every medical appointment, your location from your phone, really just everything, with at best laughable attempts to anonymize it. Everyone is collecting data about everything they can and figuring out how to monetize it. Facebook and google in particular are worst offenders here but there are plenty of others. I am much more concerned with the effects and consumers of this data which have much more to benefit from it and have. Unless you’re an individual of particular interest to China (people in politics and defense should avoid tiktok) there’s much less to fear than domestic sources and sinks of data.

jmpman 4y ago
I strongly disagree. The anti-Ukraine messaging recently adopted by the right didn’t come from the individuals thoughtful consideration of geopolitics, but a careful influence campaign by Russia. China will do the same in their attempt to retake Taiwan, and TikTok will be their mechanism. Anyone speaking up against Chinese aggression will be silenced and any pro-Chinese voices will be amplified. This isn’t about silencing Charli DAmelio’s first amendment rights to wiggle, but China’s attempt to sway foreign policy while they crush yet another democracy.
- colechristensen 4y ago
  >a careful influence campaign by Russia Which helped Trump get elected, which was enabled by a former-KGB-led Cambridge Analytica which was sold data en masse by Facebook who after the fact put on a show about how it was not used as intended. BS, they didn't care, they just wanted to make money. Everybody is doing it and you only know about the ones who got caught. Again, much more worried about FAANG+ than TikTok.
  - jmpman 4y ago
    Do you think TikTok isn’t the next Cambridge Analytica? Are they benign? No, they are fully controlled by the CCP and will be used to crush Taiwan.
genmud 4y ago
Tell me you don’t understand the issue, without telling me you don’t understand the issue. First off, raw data is not for sale from FAANGs, it is their most jealously guarded golden goose. Second, the entire point isn’t that you as an individual have something to fear from the CCP, the point is they have/can/will use their platform to push specific viewpoints, amplify messages with the goal of influencing public opinion. AKA propaganda. Say what you want about big tech, but continuing to allow the CCP a direct conduit into 140 million Americans is pants on head stupid. Bytedance have known about the issues and have yet to actually meaningfully address these concerns. In fact they have done thing which make things worse, they have actively obfuscated things and used their platform to go after reporters. Anyone who says this is protectionism is either naive or not making a genuine argument.

jmpman 4y ago

I strongly disagree. The anti-Ukraine messaging recently adopted by the right didn’t come from the individuals thoughtful consideration of geopolitics, but a careful influence campaign by Russia. China will do the same in their attempt to retake Taiwan, and TikTok will be their mechanism. Anyone speaking up against Chinese aggression will be silenced and any pro-Chinese voices will be amplified. This isn’t about silencing Charli DAmelio’s first amendment rights to wiggle, but China’s attempt to sway foreign policy while they crush yet another democracy.

colechristensen 4y ago
>a careful influence campaign by Russia Which helped Trump get elected, which was enabled by a former-KGB-led Cambridge Analytica which was sold data en masse by Facebook who after the fact put on a show about how it was not used as intended. BS, they didn't care, they just wanted to make money. Everybody is doing it and you only know about the ones who got caught. Again, much more worried about FAANG+ than TikTok.
- jmpman 4y ago
  Do you think TikTok isn’t the next Cambridge Analytica? Are they benign? No, they are fully controlled by the CCP and will be used to crush Taiwan.

genmud 4y ago

Tell me you don’t understand the issue, without telling me you don’t understand the issue. First off, raw data is not for sale from FAANGs, it is their most jealously guarded golden goose. Second, the entire point isn’t that you as an individual have something to fear from the CCP, the point is they have/can/will use their platform to push specific viewpoints, amplify messages with the goal of influencing public opinion. AKA propaganda. Say what you want about big tech, but continuing to allow the CCP a direct conduit into 140 million Americans is pants on head stupid. Bytedance have known about the issues and have yet to actually meaningfully address these concerns. In fact they have done thing which make things worse, they have actively obfuscated things and used their platform to go after reporters. Anyone who says this is protectionism is either naive or not making a genuine argument.