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This is an astonishingly bad faith take. She was in the Navy. The Navy and the Marine Corps have explicit policies about not representing your rank or using you

by kodah 4y ago

This is an astonishingly bad faith take. She was in the Navy. The Navy and the Marine Corps have explicit policies about not representing your rank or using your rank for influence or gaining favor. As I said in another thread, I don't walk around calling myself by my former rank and I'd expect such a highly ranked officer not to as well. As I said, I doubt that's what the ear rings are.

thakoppno 4y ago
Now I’m curious about your former rank. Is that something you would disclose when asked or is it more personal and private than that?
- kodah 4y ago
  No, I just removed it because it's not super relevant. I was a Corporal if you're curious.
DoreenMichele 4y ago
Before you edited your comments to say "my former rank," you listed a rank that in the Army would be too low to be a retiree. Granted, ranks are different in the Navy. First, they do call her by her rank in the video. Second, it's common in military culture for a retiree to be listed as [their rank] (RET) to indicate their Retired status. Third, the video is from 1986. Policies and culture can and typically do change over the course of several decades. If you served only a few years and did not reenlist, no, it's not appropriate to call yourself by your former rank. But retirees are free to use their rank so long as they don't misrepresent themselves as if they are still active duty, generally speaking.
- kodah 4y ago
  > you listed a rank that in the Army I was in the Marines, both have the rank of Corporal. I asked a friend and he pointed me here: https://www.defense.gov/Contact/Help-Center/Article/Article/2746328/use-of-military-rank-by-retired-military-members/ https://www.defense.gov/Contact/Help-Center/Article/Article/... You are right about the use of rank by retirees. The example I gave is wrong or rather, more pertinent to active duty when operating in a civilian capacity. The Navy and Marines are the only branches that have specific rules about that. Wearing your insignia as an earring is what I was addressing and that is still very taboo. I served under Mattis and I'd be floored if I saw him wearing four star bars in a suit.
calderknight 4y ago
Could you please explain to me what you think "bad faith" means in this context?
- kodah 4y ago
  Yes, military traditions are just that. They're not different for women and men.
  - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
    That's a bit disingenuous, for a service that has been overwhelmingly male for centuries. I little like saying "Our club is completely fair and traditional, even though we don't have any women's bathrooms. Tradition!" Remember this woman was an Admiral(?) and a groundbreaker. Maybe she made the tradition. Not a lot of Navy folk (publicly) wearing dresses before either. That was my point, badly made. There were likely no traditions regarding menopause or menstruation before women joined for instance. There was a need to 'make tradition'. Whether that applies to decorative dangly earrings worn during interviews, I suspect there was some part of tradition that was lacking clarity.

by kodah 4y ago

thakoppno 4y ago

Now I’m curious about your former rank. Is that something you would disclose when asked or is it more personal and private than that?

kodah 4y ago
No, I just removed it because it's not super relevant. I was a Corporal if you're curious.

DoreenMichele 4y ago

Before you edited your comments to say "my former rank," you listed a rank that in the Army would be too low to be a retiree. Granted, ranks are different in the Navy. First, they do call her by her rank in the video. Second, it's common in military culture for a retiree to be listed as [their rank] (RET) to indicate their Retired status. Third, the video is from 1986. Policies and culture can and typically do change over the course of several decades. If you served only a few years and did not reenlist, no, it's not appropriate to call yourself by your former rank. But retirees are free to use their rank so long as they don't misrepresent themselves as if they are still active duty, generally speaking.

kodah 4y ago
> you listed a rank that in the Army I was in the Marines, both have the rank of Corporal. I asked a friend and he pointed me here: https://www.defense.gov/Contact/Help-Center/Article/Article/2746328/use-of-military-rank-by-retired-military-members/ https://www.defense.gov/Contact/Help-Center/Article/Article/... You are right about the use of rank by retirees. The example I gave is wrong or rather, more pertinent to active duty when operating in a civilian capacity. The Navy and Marines are the only branches that have specific rules about that. Wearing your insignia as an earring is what I was addressing and that is still very taboo. I served under Mattis and I'd be floored if I saw him wearing four star bars in a suit.

calderknight 4y ago

Could you please explain to me what you think "bad faith" means in this context?

kodah 4y ago
Yes, military traditions are just that. They're not different for women and men.
- JoeAltmaier 4y ago
  That's a bit disingenuous, for a service that has been overwhelmingly male for centuries. I little like saying "Our club is completely fair and traditional, even though we don't have any women's bathrooms. Tradition!" Remember this woman was an Admiral(?) and a groundbreaker. Maybe she made the tradition. Not a lot of Navy folk (publicly) wearing dresses before either. That was my point, badly made. There were likely no traditions regarding menopause or menstruation before women joined for instance. There was a need to 'make tradition'. Whether that applies to decorative dangly earrings worn during interviews, I suspect there was some part of tradition that was lacking clarity.