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Depends on your target customer. Some people are willing to pay more for what they consider to be "ethical meat".

TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
It's unlikely we can virtue-signal our way out of any problem. If something costs more, that's a good proxy for that product being more energy-intensive. And where thst isn't the case, the higher cost is likely lining someone's pocket, who will then go on to consume more, thereby generating more pollution.
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  What’s your definition of virtue signaling here that doesn’t just cash out into someone having different ethical concerns than you?
- deleted 4y ago
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- DoreenMichele 4y ago
  If something costs more, that's a good proxy for that product being more energy-intensive. New products that come from new tech always cost more and early adopters tend to be people with money to spare. Unless you can come up with a source showing the higher energy usage -- one with a comprehensive lifetime comparison, not cherry picked -- this is a baseless comment.
- amusedcyclist 4y ago
  Yeah we can also ban factory farming, like we ban murder.
  - planter 4y ago
    The correct definition of murder is as such: > Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse [...] Animals are not humans, killing an animal is not a murder. Attribution of human traits, emotions, or intentions to animals is called anthropomorphism.
    - amanaplanacanal 4y ago
      I mostly agree with you. But it seems clear that mammals do have a lot of the same emotions humans do, as those emotions evolved long before humans took the stage. We just inherited them from our earlier ancestors.
    - socraticmethod 4y ago
      That's not the full definition of murder. Here's the rest: - 1: to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice - 2: to slaughter wantonly : SLAY - 3a: to put an end to - 3b: TEASE, TORMENT - 3c: MUTILATE, MANGLE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko Watch Dominion and tell us these animals are not being mutilated, mangled, tormented, slaughtered and murdered. Animals do not want to die. The will ALL naturally cry, scream, run, fight and generally do anything possible to avoid getting killed. Killing them is murder. Discrimination or unjustified treatment of animals based on an individual's species membership is called Speciesism. The belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value or are the central entity in the universe is called Anthropocentrism.
DoreenMichele 4y ago
Some people are willing to pay more for quality food period. If this meat turns out to be better quality by some metric having nothing to do with "ethical meat" memes, there will be a market for it.
- kodah 4y ago
  This is the answer I think. My partner is vegetarian and sometimes I'll eat the Beyond Chicken Nuggets because they are just that good, often better than what I can make or buy store or otherwise.
  - ed_elliott_asc 4y ago
    One look at the ingredients in these things puts me off ever eating them: “ INGREDIENTS: Water, Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Faba Bean Protein, Modified Corn Starch, Natural Flavors, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Pea Starch, Methylcellulose, Salt, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Flour, Corn Starch, Yeast Extract Garlic Powder, Onion Powder, Pea Protein (Peas Are Legume, People with Severe Allergies to Legumes Like Peanuts Should Be Cautious When Introducing Pea Protein Into Their Diet Because of the Possibility of a Pea Allergy, Contains No Peanuts or Tree Nuts), Titanium Dioxide (for Color) Sugar, Dried Yeast Spices, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Sunflower Oil, Canola Oil, Paprika, Dextrose.”
    - JackMorgan 4y ago
      What ingredients from this list are you specifically trying to avoid? Do you eat pepperoni pizza? Seems to have a lot of same ingredients ENRICHED WHEAT FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, AND FOLIC ACID), WATER, LOW-MOISTURE PART-SKIM MOZZARELLA CHEESE (PART-SKIM MILK, CHEESE CULTURE, SALT, ENZYMES), PEPPERONI MADE WITH PORK, CHICKEN AND BEEF (PORK, MECHANICALLY SEPARATED CHICKEN, BEEF, SALT, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF SPICES, DEXTROSE, PORK STOCK, LACTIC ACID STARTER CULTURE, OLEORESIN OF PAPRIKA, FLAVORING, SODIUM NITRITE, SODIUM ASCORBATE, PAPRIKA, PROCESSED WITH NATURAL SMOKE FLAVOR, BHA, BHT, CITRIC ACID TO HELP PROTECT FLAVOR), TOMATO PASTE, 2% OR LESS OF VEGETABLE OIL (CORN OIL AND/OR SOYBEAN OIL AND/OR CANOLA OIL), SALT, YEAST, SUGAR, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, SPICES, DRIED GARLIC.

It's unlikely we can virtue-signal our way out of any problem. If something costs more, that's a good proxy for that product being more energy-intensive. And where thst isn't the case, the higher cost is likely lining someone's pocket, who will then go on to consume more, thereby generating more pollution.

hombre_fatal 4y ago
What’s your definition of virtue signaling here that doesn’t just cash out into someone having different ethical concerns than you?
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DoreenMichele 4y ago
If something costs more, that's a good proxy for that product being more energy-intensive. New products that come from new tech always cost more and early adopters tend to be people with money to spare. Unless you can come up with a source showing the higher energy usage -- one with a comprehensive lifetime comparison, not cherry picked -- this is a baseless comment.
amusedcyclist 4y ago
Yeah we can also ban factory farming, like we ban murder.
- planter 4y ago
  The correct definition of murder is as such: > Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse [...] Animals are not humans, killing an animal is not a murder. Attribution of human traits, emotions, or intentions to animals is called anthropomorphism.
  - amanaplanacanal 4y ago
    I mostly agree with you. But it seems clear that mammals do have a lot of the same emotions humans do, as those emotions evolved long before humans took the stage. We just inherited them from our earlier ancestors.
  - socraticmethod 4y ago
    That's not the full definition of murder. Here's the rest: - 1: to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice - 2: to slaughter wantonly : SLAY - 3a: to put an end to - 3b: TEASE, TORMENT - 3c: MUTILATE, MANGLE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko Watch Dominion and tell us these animals are not being mutilated, mangled, tormented, slaughtered and murdered. Animals do not want to die. The will ALL naturally cry, scream, run, fight and generally do anything possible to avoid getting killed. Killing them is murder. Discrimination or unjustified treatment of animals based on an individual's species membership is called Speciesism. The belief that humans alone possess intrinsic value or are the central entity in the universe is called Anthropocentrism.

DoreenMichele 4y ago

Some people are willing to pay more for quality food period. If this meat turns out to be better quality by some metric having nothing to do with "ethical meat" memes, there will be a market for it.

kodah 4y ago
This is the answer I think. My partner is vegetarian and sometimes I'll eat the Beyond Chicken Nuggets because they are just that good, often better than what I can make or buy store or otherwise.
- ed_elliott_asc 4y ago
  One look at the ingredients in these things puts me off ever eating them: “ INGREDIENTS: Water, Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Faba Bean Protein, Modified Corn Starch, Natural Flavors, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Pea Starch, Methylcellulose, Salt, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Flour, Corn Starch, Yeast Extract Garlic Powder, Onion Powder, Pea Protein (Peas Are Legume, People with Severe Allergies to Legumes Like Peanuts Should Be Cautious When Introducing Pea Protein Into Their Diet Because of the Possibility of a Pea Allergy, Contains No Peanuts or Tree Nuts), Titanium Dioxide (for Color) Sugar, Dried Yeast Spices, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Sunflower Oil, Canola Oil, Paprika, Dextrose.”
  - JackMorgan 4y ago
    What ingredients from this list are you specifically trying to avoid? Do you eat pepperoni pizza? Seems to have a lot of same ingredients ENRICHED WHEAT FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, AND FOLIC ACID), WATER, LOW-MOISTURE PART-SKIM MOZZARELLA CHEESE (PART-SKIM MILK, CHEESE CULTURE, SALT, ENZYMES), PEPPERONI MADE WITH PORK, CHICKEN AND BEEF (PORK, MECHANICALLY SEPARATED CHICKEN, BEEF, SALT, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF SPICES, DEXTROSE, PORK STOCK, LACTIC ACID STARTER CULTURE, OLEORESIN OF PAPRIKA, FLAVORING, SODIUM NITRITE, SODIUM ASCORBATE, PAPRIKA, PROCESSED WITH NATURAL SMOKE FLAVOR, BHA, BHT, CITRIC ACID TO HELP PROTECT FLAVOR), TOMATO PASTE, 2% OR LESS OF VEGETABLE OIL (CORN OIL AND/OR SOYBEAN OIL AND/OR CANOLA OIL), SALT, YEAST, SUGAR, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, SPICES, DRIED GARLIC.