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People who vote red think education should be overseen locally, with strong parental involvement, and that all children (in tough neighborhoods especially) shou

People who vote red think education should be overseen locally, with strong parental involvement, and that all children (in tough neighborhoods especially) should have a choice of well-run schools. People who vote blue support teachers unions (and SBs) that routinely sue superior charter schools out of existence, block reforms that would allow incompetent or literally criminal teachers (child molesters, even) from being fired, block incentive-based teacher pay, and do not support informed consent of college students before taking out huge student loans for degrees with minor to zero economic value. At present, they also routinely protest AGAINST free speech on campus and block invited speakers from speaking. Do you support those things? Most people don't, they just don't realize how and why it is happening -- it's due to their voting and tacit support. Happy to share links to pages and videos, since you will not hear this via the mainstream media.

unethical_ban 4y ago
If we were interested in better more equitable public education, we would stop funding schools with local property taxes that trap the poor in an education-poverty cycle, and fund it at the state level. I get the feeling school choice is a dog whistle for privatized, for profit education with less oversight. I also must doubt your assertion that child molesting people are being protected as teachers, considering they would be convicted and put on a sex offender list and not be allowed around minors. As for anti free speech activities at college campuses, it does get covered by "mainstream media" and the comments are usually filled with eye rolls at the naive kids and feckless administrators letting it happen.
- dye_lemma 4y ago
  To get it out of the way -- apparently you've never heard and you might be shocked to know that sex-offending teachers are not fired. They are routinely assigned to "rubber rooms", classrooms with no students. https://nypost.com/2019/11/02/nyc-pays-rubber-room-teacher-six-figures-20-years-after-sex-abuse-claims/ https://nypost.com/2019/11/02/nyc-pays-rubber-room-teacher-s... Only the left defends this and makes it practically impossible to fire bad teachers. This is incredibly wasteful mismanagement that educates nobody. I couldn't agree more about how unfair school funding is and the differences in quality. This is one element of systemic racism in America completely recognized by left & right. Families in Saratoga exercise a soft racism of paid separation, and yet they lecture me and everyone else living in more diverse areas about how police are racist and jailing criminals is immoral. California spends /almost/ the most money on schools, per pupil, and we have almost the lowest test scores. One party has exclusive control of all institutional and government power in California and there is nobody left to blame. I am willing now to try something new. Are you? Education is essential. Sure. Food is also essential. If the government controlled all food distribution and ran a monopoly of restaurants, you could be assured we'd all be eating tree bark by now. For-profit universities exist and they work, or they go out of business. Why not high schools? Why not junior high, etc? I am in favor of charter schools which are no cost to parents. Example: Harlem Success Academy, from wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_Academy_Charter_Schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_Academy_Charter_School... " In New York City, 47% percent of public school students passed state reading tests, and 43% passed math tests. At Success schools, corresponding percentages were 91% and 98%.[29] These scores come from a student group made up of 95% children of color, with families having a median income of $32,000.[30] No new students above the fourth grade are accepted at Success.[28] " No wonder the public school teachers union routinely lobbies to shut them down -- it makes them look bad. As to the anti-free speech, yes feel free to ignore it -- I am glad the left has stopped pretending they believe in free speech and has unshackled its anti-enlightenment extremists. They know their arguments don't hold up well in debates and the anti-speech theatrics just make it obvious that their orthodoxy requires groupthink to survive. Shucks -- they've even got /you/ dissembling for them.
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    To your last point, you're foolish. I explicitly disavow stupid far-left kids who oppress speech on campus, with about as much vigor as you probably put into it: Complaining online. Yet you continue to link me to it. You argue in bad faith. Sure, the government regulates the quality of food and transparency of its health. It should be able to do so for education, as well.

unethical_ban 4y ago

If we were interested in better more equitable public education, we would stop funding schools with local property taxes that trap the poor in an education-poverty cycle, and fund it at the state level. I get the feeling school choice is a dog whistle for privatized, for profit education with less oversight. I also must doubt your assertion that child molesting people are being protected as teachers, considering they would be convicted and put on a sex offender list and not be allowed around minors. As for anti free speech activities at college campuses, it does get covered by "mainstream media" and the comments are usually filled with eye rolls at the naive kids and feckless administrators letting it happen.

dye_lemma 4y ago
To get it out of the way -- apparently you've never heard and you might be shocked to know that sex-offending teachers are not fired. They are routinely assigned to "rubber rooms", classrooms with no students. https://nypost.com/2019/11/02/nyc-pays-rubber-room-teacher-six-figures-20-years-after-sex-abuse-claims/ https://nypost.com/2019/11/02/nyc-pays-rubber-room-teacher-s... Only the left defends this and makes it practically impossible to fire bad teachers. This is incredibly wasteful mismanagement that educates nobody. I couldn't agree more about how unfair school funding is and the differences in quality. This is one element of systemic racism in America completely recognized by left & right. Families in Saratoga exercise a soft racism of paid separation, and yet they lecture me and everyone else living in more diverse areas about how police are racist and jailing criminals is immoral. California spends /almost/ the most money on schools, per pupil, and we have almost the lowest test scores. One party has exclusive control of all institutional and government power in California and there is nobody left to blame. I am willing now to try something new. Are you? Education is essential. Sure. Food is also essential. If the government controlled all food distribution and ran a monopoly of restaurants, you could be assured we'd all be eating tree bark by now. For-profit universities exist and they work, or they go out of business. Why not high schools? Why not junior high, etc? I am in favor of charter schools which are no cost to parents. Example: Harlem Success Academy, from wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_Academy_Charter_Schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_Academy_Charter_School... " In New York City, 47% percent of public school students passed state reading tests, and 43% passed math tests. At Success schools, corresponding percentages were 91% and 98%.[29] These scores come from a student group made up of 95% children of color, with families having a median income of $32,000.[30] No new students above the fourth grade are accepted at Success.[28] " No wonder the public school teachers union routinely lobbies to shut them down -- it makes them look bad. As to the anti-free speech, yes feel free to ignore it -- I am glad the left has stopped pretending they believe in free speech and has unshackled its anti-enlightenment extremists. They know their arguments don't hold up well in debates and the anti-speech theatrics just make it obvious that their orthodoxy requires groupthink to survive. Shucks -- they've even got /you/ dissembling for them.
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  To your last point, you're foolish. I explicitly disavow stupid far-left kids who oppress speech on campus, with about as much vigor as you probably put into it: Complaining online. Yet you continue to link me to it. You argue in bad faith. Sure, the government regulates the quality of food and transparency of its health. It should be able to do so for education, as well.