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> The whole entire "Russiagate" thing was straight up just a hoax Uhhh, what? The Select Committee on Intelligence in the U.S. Senate [published][1] a nearly 1

> The whole entire "Russiagate" thing was straight up just a hoax Uhhh, what? The Select Committee on Intelligence in the U.S. Senate [published][1] a nearly 1,000 page report on this. Volume 5 begins with these findings: > The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multi-faceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. > The fifth and final volume focuses on the counterintelligence threat, outlining a wide range of Russian efforts to influence the Trump Campaign and the 2016 election. I highly recommend you [read][2] this yourself, but including a few top-level items of the counter intelligence threats: > Taken as a whole, [Paul] Manafort's high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik and associates of Oleg Deripaska, represented a grave counterintelligence threat. > The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian effort to hack computer networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak information damaging to Hillary Clinton and her campaign for president. Moscow's intent was to harm the Clinton Campaign, tarnish an expected Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and undermine the U.S. democratic process. [1]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-panel-finds-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-us-election https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-panel-finds-rus... [2]: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-sele...

_gabe_ 4y ago
> The Select Committee on Intelligence in the U.S. Senate Ah yes, the senate. How could we forget the paragons of truth? They absolutely have no incentives to lie or make hyperbolic claims to support any agendas. They're the epitome of our humble faithful civil servants.
- thakoppno 4y ago
  > Not a single person from the U.S. Government ever reached out to me. - Konstantin Kilimnik What kind of investigation doesn’t interview the primary suspects? How did Mueller not know about Fusion GPS when questioned by Congress?
- immanentize 4y ago
  You could just believe Trump on his word but that seemed to change. Unless there is a perjury penalty involved, and suddenly there was little to go on.
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  The Republican Senate report verified nearly all of the points in the Mueller report. Their incentives were 100% aligned with finding nothing and yet.. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu... The irony of people in this thread not reading primary sources and instead relying on weird "news" reports that nothing was found is a bit much.
  - thakoppno 4y ago
    > While the Committee does not describe the final result as a complete picture, this volume provides the most comprehensive description to date of Russia's activities and the threat they posed. Subsequent to the Senate report, has any information corroborated the allegations about Manefort?
    - mikeyouse 4y ago
      Aside from being convicted at trial in two separate Federal jurisdictions and agreeing to forfeit tens of millions of dollars he illicitly earned while working for the Russian billionaire in question you mean? What specific corroboration are you looking for?
      - thakoppno 4y ago
        > Manafort has not been charged with any crimes related to the Trump campaign or Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-manafort-witness-mueller-20180608-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-manafort-witness-mu...
        mikeyouse 4y ago
        The core allegation against Manafort in the Mueller report is that he was paying debts back to the Russian billionaire who bankrolled his life [this is undisputed, the tens of millions of dollars in unreported income came directly from Deripaska] by having clandestine meetings with an associate of Deripaska's, Konstantin Kilminik [This is also undisputed, they met regularly including at the famous cigar bar in NYC], where Manafort passed confidential campaign data to Kilminik [also undisputed] which Kilminik then shared with Deripaska. Perhaps the 'shared with Deripaska' part is disputed? But I don't even think that is.. again, what specific corroboration are you looking for? Is your contention that Trump's campaign manager, who was twice convicted of laundering tens of millions of dollars for a Russian billionaire, and who admitted to providing confidential campaign information to that same billionaire via a cutout, needs to be convicted of some specific crime related to that before we believe all of their admissions? Read the Mueller report! Or the Senate report! They are very detailed and highlight exactly where they have unanswered questions. None of their questions involve Manafort's behavior or intentions.
boomboomsubban 4y ago
Russiagate was not about the Russian interference in the 2016 elections, it was the claim that the Trump team was explicitly coordinating with Russian interference in the 2016 election. The interference happened, the evidence of coordination is weak at best.
- deleted 4y ago
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- ChickenNugger 4y ago
  The reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35251387 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35251387 was posted 12 minutes after the 25,228 word article I linked. They didn't read it.

_gabe_ 4y ago

> The Select Committee on Intelligence in the U.S. Senate Ah yes, the senate. How could we forget the paragons of truth? They absolutely have no incentives to lie or make hyperbolic claims to support any agendas. They're the epitome of our humble faithful civil servants.

thakoppno 4y ago
> Not a single person from the U.S. Government ever reached out to me. - Konstantin Kilimnik What kind of investigation doesn’t interview the primary suspects? How did Mueller not know about Fusion GPS when questioned by Congress?
immanentize 4y ago
You could just believe Trump on his word but that seemed to change. Unless there is a perjury penalty involved, and suddenly there was little to go on.
mikeyouse 4y ago
The Republican Senate report verified nearly all of the points in the Mueller report. Their incentives were 100% aligned with finding nothing and yet.. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu... The irony of people in this thread not reading primary sources and instead relying on weird "news" reports that nothing was found is a bit much.
- thakoppno 4y ago
  > While the Committee does not describe the final result as a complete picture, this volume provides the most comprehensive description to date of Russia's activities and the threat they posed. Subsequent to the Senate report, has any information corroborated the allegations about Manefort?
  - mikeyouse 4y ago
    Aside from being convicted at trial in two separate Federal jurisdictions and agreeing to forfeit tens of millions of dollars he illicitly earned while working for the Russian billionaire in question you mean? What specific corroboration are you looking for?
    - thakoppno 4y ago
      > Manafort has not been charged with any crimes related to the Trump campaign or Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-manafort-witness-mueller-20180608-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-manafort-witness-mu...
      - mikeyouse 4y ago
        The core allegation against Manafort in the Mueller report is that he was paying debts back to the Russian billionaire who bankrolled his life [this is undisputed, the tens of millions of dollars in unreported income came directly from Deripaska] by having clandestine meetings with an associate of Deripaska's, Konstantin Kilminik [This is also undisputed, they met regularly including at the famous cigar bar in NYC], where Manafort passed confidential campaign data to Kilminik [also undisputed] which Kilminik then shared with Deripaska. Perhaps the 'shared with Deripaska' part is disputed? But I don't even think that is.. again, what specific corroboration are you looking for? Is your contention that Trump's campaign manager, who was twice convicted of laundering tens of millions of dollars for a Russian billionaire, and who admitted to providing confidential campaign information to that same billionaire via a cutout, needs to be convicted of some specific crime related to that before we believe all of their admissions? Read the Mueller report! Or the Senate report! They are very detailed and highlight exactly where they have unanswered questions. None of their questions involve Manafort's behavior or intentions.

boomboomsubban 4y ago

Russiagate was not about the Russian interference in the 2016 elections, it was the claim that the Trump team was explicitly coordinating with Russian interference in the 2016 election. The interference happened, the evidence of coordination is weak at best.

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ChickenNugger 4y ago
The reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35251387 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35251387 was posted 12 minutes after the 25,228 word article I linked. They didn't read it.