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Not as far as I know. There needs to be one, and internet-scrapers need to be able to be sued for ludicrous amounts of money if they violate it, IMHO. Training

Not as far as I know. There needs to be one, and internet-scrapers need to be able to be sued for ludicrous amounts of money if they violate it, IMHO. Training AI models feels way outside the scope of what I think "fair use" should cover.

judge2020 4y ago
They do not currently operate on the basis of fair use. Operating as a human by looking at images and learning how to draw or paint is not 'fair use', it's a right given to you by either God or Mother Nature, so the legal basis for neural nets learning from other art is that it's learning like a human and creating new art from just knowing what art human think is good and optimizing its creation of art to mimic if not borrow the same qualities while still making something new.
- egypturnash 4y ago
  As far as I know there are no religions or legal systems that posit that there are any rights inherently given to machines.
  - dymk 4y ago
    The rights are exercised by the humans building and operating the machines. You're saying the hammer doesn't have rights. Well, yeah, duh. It's the person holding it.
    - egypturnash 4y ago
      "so the legal basis for neural nets learning from other art is that it's learning like a human and creating new art from just knowing what art human think is good and optimizing its creation of art to mimic if not borrow the same qualities while still making something new" sure sounds like it's attributing the rights to the machine, not the person using it, to me.
  - celdon25 4y ago
    Not for lack of trying though. https://transhumanist-party.org/tbr-3/ https://transhumanist-party.org/tbr-3/
- egypturnash 4y ago
  Also if you are going to say that the neural net has the same divinely-given right as humans then I feel you are also implying that the neural net has all the other rights of a human, and I think labor laws would have something to say about keeping a six-month-old idiot savant in a box and making them draw whatever random querents on the Internet asked for, 24/7.
astrange 4y ago
Non-commercial internet scraping for model creation is explicitly legal in the EU; the result of a model trained on a billion images really has nothing to do with anyone in particular's art. Although the model would likely work pretty well without ever seeing any "art" images.

judge2020 4y ago

They do not currently operate on the basis of fair use. Operating as a human by looking at images and learning how to draw or paint is not 'fair use', it's a right given to you by either God or Mother Nature, so the legal basis for neural nets learning from other art is that it's learning like a human and creating new art from just knowing what art human think is good and optimizing its creation of art to mimic if not borrow the same qualities while still making something new.

egypturnash 4y ago
As far as I know there are no religions or legal systems that posit that there are any rights inherently given to machines.
- dymk 4y ago
  The rights are exercised by the humans building and operating the machines. You're saying the hammer doesn't have rights. Well, yeah, duh. It's the person holding it.
  - egypturnash 4y ago
    "so the legal basis for neural nets learning from other art is that it's learning like a human and creating new art from just knowing what art human think is good and optimizing its creation of art to mimic if not borrow the same qualities while still making something new" sure sounds like it's attributing the rights to the machine, not the person using it, to me.
- celdon25 4y ago
  Not for lack of trying though. https://transhumanist-party.org/tbr-3/ https://transhumanist-party.org/tbr-3/
egypturnash 4y ago
Also if you are going to say that the neural net has the same divinely-given right as humans then I feel you are also implying that the neural net has all the other rights of a human, and I think labor laws would have something to say about keeping a six-month-old idiot savant in a box and making them draw whatever random querents on the Internet asked for, 24/7.

astrange 4y ago

Non-commercial internet scraping for model creation is explicitly legal in the EU; the result of a model trained on a billion images really has nothing to do with anyone in particular's art. Although the model would likely work pretty well without ever seeing any "art" images.