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You're not entitled to anyone's opinion. Secondly, I think the silence and downvotes are conveying a strong message, people don't agree with you. Your faux outr

You're not entitled to anyone's opinion. Secondly, I think the silence and downvotes are conveying a strong message, people don't agree with you. Your faux outrage about thought policing is a non-starter for serious conversation.

nico 4y ago
Fair. No one has demanded an answer. And thank you for voluntarily choosing to share your opinion. I am genuinely concerned about the potential of this. OpenAI has massive power to censor what people can reason about with GPT. Seeing how fast they are growing, their beliefs of the world are going to be forced on millions of people. Do you not think that will happen, or do you think it is not something worth talking about?
- yazaddaruvala 4y ago
  > OpenAI has massive power to censor what people can reason about with GPT. This is like saying, the transportation of <city> has massive power to censor where people can travel about within a bus. GPT is a tool for reasoning, but humans need to be able to reason on their own! and by using multiple tools! Of course every tool should help and enhance every human, but every tool has its limitations. There is nothing unethical about calling out a tool's limitations and ensuring humans use it accordingly.
  - nico 4y ago
    > This is like saying, the transportation of <city> has massive power to censor where people can travel about within a bus. They in fact do and land value (hence real estate), is deeply impacted by transportation reach and frequency decisions. It also creates a corruption issue with businesses trying to influence politicians to make changes in their favor.
    - yazaddaruvala 4y ago
      > They in fact do and My point is nothing your saying is new or specific to OpenAI. These are problems with Capitalism and its influence over populations. It is an important conversation, but a distinct and orthogonal conversation that is distracted by involving AI.
      - nico 4y ago
        How is it orthogonal when AI will make these issues worse? AI is already producing massive inequality between the people that are using it today and people who aren’t. This difference is only going to increase. And very few people are going to be the winners, a lot (most) of people are going to be the losers. It’s going to have a very deep impact in society, faster than we can prepare for.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Do you not think that will happen I think the more they censor, the less it will happen; there will be competing AIs, and they will get used, and the more – users or subject matter – excluded from OpenAI’s offerings, the more competing services will be used and developed, even if they are initially behind.
int_19h 4y ago
The downvotes are not meant to convey disagreement (although they do too often in practice, sadly). That aside, both OP and you should wait a bit before judging on that basis, since comment votes can swing wildly as more people notice the story and come to read the comments. In fact, it looks like OP has already been upvoted back.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Secondly, I think the silence and downvotes are conveying a strong message, people don’t agree with you. Specifically, on the question of “is this a productive avenue for discussion on HN”, irrespective of opinion on the merits (though there is probably a correlation.)

nico 4y ago

Fair. No one has demanded an answer. And thank you for voluntarily choosing to share your opinion. I am genuinely concerned about the potential of this. OpenAI has massive power to censor what people can reason about with GPT. Seeing how fast they are growing, their beliefs of the world are going to be forced on millions of people. Do you not think that will happen, or do you think it is not something worth talking about?

yazaddaruvala 4y ago
> OpenAI has massive power to censor what people can reason about with GPT. This is like saying, the transportation of <city> has massive power to censor where people can travel about within a bus. GPT is a tool for reasoning, but humans need to be able to reason on their own! and by using multiple tools! Of course every tool should help and enhance every human, but every tool has its limitations. There is nothing unethical about calling out a tool's limitations and ensuring humans use it accordingly.
- nico 4y ago
  > This is like saying, the transportation of <city> has massive power to censor where people can travel about within a bus. They in fact do and land value (hence real estate), is deeply impacted by transportation reach and frequency decisions. It also creates a corruption issue with businesses trying to influence politicians to make changes in their favor.
  - yazaddaruvala 4y ago
    > They in fact do and My point is nothing your saying is new or specific to OpenAI. These are problems with Capitalism and its influence over populations. It is an important conversation, but a distinct and orthogonal conversation that is distracted by involving AI.
    - nico 4y ago
      How is it orthogonal when AI will make these issues worse? AI is already producing massive inequality between the people that are using it today and people who aren’t. This difference is only going to increase. And very few people are going to be the winners, a lot (most) of people are going to be the losers. It’s going to have a very deep impact in society, faster than we can prepare for.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Do you not think that will happen I think the more they censor, the less it will happen; there will be competing AIs, and they will get used, and the more – users or subject matter – excluded from OpenAI’s offerings, the more competing services will be used and developed, even if they are initially behind.

int_19h 4y ago

The downvotes are not meant to convey disagreement (although they do too often in practice, sadly). That aside, both OP and you should wait a bit before judging on that basis, since comment votes can swing wildly as more people notice the story and come to read the comments. In fact, it looks like OP has already been upvoted back.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Secondly, I think the silence and downvotes are conveying a strong message, people don’t agree with you. Specifically, on the question of “is this a productive avenue for discussion on HN”, irrespective of opinion on the merits (though there is probably a correlation.)