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When you "vote blue no matter who" you'll have things like this. People believe it because the color of the tie the other person is wearing. They don't need to

by vuln 4y ago

When you "vote blue no matter who" you'll have things like this. People believe it because the color of the tie the other person is wearing. They don't need to look into anything as long as a celebrity movie or government has a twitter hot take or it "defeats orange man and Russia!1!1!1!"

yks 4y ago
Alright, I’ll take the bait, what good did Reps do for the US economy this century? They borrowed from the future just as much as the other guys, jacked up the deficits, juiced the economy with low rates and now it's Dems problem to fix the mess by taking unpopular decisions, as always.
- dye_lemma 4y ago
  Since you asked the question, and I trust you are open to facts even if they've been withheld from you: They cut corporate income taxes from 35% to 21%. This moved us from literally the highest corporate taxes in the 1st world, to being about average. Do you think that matters for companies making decisions on where they will locate? You bet it does. https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/ https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/ In 2019, the USA hit a 50-year low in unemployment, WITH a labor force participation rate 2 percentage points higher than the best under Biden. These job gains were broad-based across every demographic category, resulting, for example, in the highest Black employment rate ever recorded. (contrast w/ Biden, who got in trouble w/ the Philly Fed by overstating job gains by 1M+) In the previous admin, there were 40 consecutive months of more job openings than unemployed people. Wages actually rose fastest for low-income and blue-collar workers. Income rose in EVERY metro area of the USA, all with relatively stable prices. Gas was as low as $1.40 per gallon in 2020 in some states (I know because that's what I paid). The Trump admin did heavy lifting on fair trade for our farmers and factory workers -- trade treaties with Japan, Korea, and China (200B !), even while enforcing tough tariffs on China which was the only mechanism. It worked so well, the Biden admin left them in place. In 2018 or so, they passed a paid Family Leave for families making less than $72k, including a business tax credit. Probably most importantly for the economy, domestic energy industry was strong, instead of squarely in the crosshairs as it is with Biden (until possibly last week) https://uscpublicdiplomacy.org/event/talk-john-kerry-us-special-presidential-envoy-climate-0 https://uscpublicdiplomacy.org/event/talk-john-kerry-us-spec... The level of inflation 2017 through 2020 was remarkably low, and still the Fed raised rates 9 times during Trump's presidency. This is at conflict with your statement that they juiced the economy on low rates. What is YOUR party doing right now to end wasteful and inefficient spending? I think you will find Republican OR Democrat, there is a huge number of people willing to do the hard work of cutting despite the negative press (almost entirely from the left) that it creates.
  - yks 4y ago
    > Do you think that matters for companies making decisions on where they will locate? You bet it does. The following link is heavy on "will", sure, maybe lowering the rate is finally something that will make economy strong as opposed to post-WWII US with rates above 40% (sarcasm). But okay, despite the strong "trickle-down economics is good" vibes, you get a point. > In 2019, the USA hit a 50-year low in unemployment, WITH a labor force participation rate 2 percentage points higher than the best under Biden. According to FRED charts, 2019 unemployment lowest was 3.4 like under Biden. I hope we agree to exclude COVID spike, especially since it spanned both admins. And the downtrend of unemployment started not with Trump either. > In the previous admin, there were 40 consecutive months of more job openings than unemployed people. Again, Trump inherited a good economy, although propped up by low prime rate. > trade treaties Well, not everyone is impressed apparently: https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/did-trumps-tariffs-benefit-american-workers-and-national-security/ https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/did-trumps-t.... This article and others can be a godawful left-wing propaganda, so I give you a point here too, something was clearly done and maybe it was even good. > they passed a paid Family Leave for families that was Dems push to include it into the bill afaik > The level of inflation 2017 through 2020 was remarkably low, and still the Fed raised rates 9 times during Trump's presidency. But they had to back off at 2.4 which is not a high rate. > What is YOUR party doing right now to end wasteful and inefficient spending? First of all, Dems is not MY party, second, they are not doing much, agree here, but you still have not convinced me that Reps are doing good things either. But anyway, my major point is that Reps are not significantly different in the economics department to support them on that merit, especially since in the other departments the most loud Rep leaders want to assist a hostile foreign fascist power to perpetrate genocide, while being openly proud about that position.
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unethical_ban 4y ago
If you vote red no matter who, you get anti-democratic authoritarians who don't value education, regulation, climate change or social issues. What are the options, flip a coin? Your reddit formatting isn't appreciated here, either.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  You're also forgetting that voting red doesn't fix the damn economy either because they DGAF about the economy, and spend all their political capital giving the 1% tax breaks instead, because they hope that by saddling the American government with a shitty balance sheet will cause it to struggle and die.
- dye_lemma 4y ago
  People who vote red think education should be overseen locally, with strong parental involvement, and that all children (in tough neighborhoods especially) should have a choice of well-run schools. People who vote blue support teachers unions (and SBs) that routinely sue superior charter schools out of existence, block reforms that would allow incompetent or literally criminal teachers (child molesters, even) from being fired, block incentive-based teacher pay, and do not support informed consent of college students before taking out huge student loans for degrees with minor to zero economic value. At present, they also routinely protest AGAINST free speech on campus and block invited speakers from speaking. Do you support those things? Most people don't, they just don't realize how and why it is happening -- it's due to their voting and tacit support. Happy to share links to pages and videos, since you will not hear this via the mainstream media.
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    If we were interested in better more equitable public education, we would stop funding schools with local property taxes that trap the poor in an education-poverty cycle, and fund it at the state level. I get the feeling school choice is a dog whistle for privatized, for profit education with less oversight. I also must doubt your assertion that child molesting people are being protected as teachers, considering they would be convicted and put on a sex offender list and not be allowed around minors. As for anti free speech activities at college campuses, it does get covered by "mainstream media" and the comments are usually filled with eye rolls at the naive kids and feckless administrators letting it happen.

by vuln 4y ago

yks 4y ago

Alright, I’ll take the bait, what good did Reps do for the US economy this century? They borrowed from the future just as much as the other guys, jacked up the deficits, juiced the economy with low rates and now it's Dems problem to fix the mess by taking unpopular decisions, as always.

dye_lemma 4y ago
Since you asked the question, and I trust you are open to facts even if they've been withheld from you: They cut corporate income taxes from 35% to 21%. This moved us from literally the highest corporate taxes in the 1st world, to being about average. Do you think that matters for companies making decisions on where they will locate? You bet it does. https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/ https://taxfoundation.org/benefits-of-a-corporate-tax-cut/ In 2019, the USA hit a 50-year low in unemployment, WITH a labor force participation rate 2 percentage points higher than the best under Biden. These job gains were broad-based across every demographic category, resulting, for example, in the highest Black employment rate ever recorded. (contrast w/ Biden, who got in trouble w/ the Philly Fed by overstating job gains by 1M+) In the previous admin, there were 40 consecutive months of more job openings than unemployed people. Wages actually rose fastest for low-income and blue-collar workers. Income rose in EVERY metro area of the USA, all with relatively stable prices. Gas was as low as $1.40 per gallon in 2020 in some states (I know because that's what I paid). The Trump admin did heavy lifting on fair trade for our farmers and factory workers -- trade treaties with Japan, Korea, and China (200B !), even while enforcing tough tariffs on China which was the only mechanism. It worked so well, the Biden admin left them in place. In 2018 or so, they passed a paid Family Leave for families making less than $72k, including a business tax credit. Probably most importantly for the economy, domestic energy industry was strong, instead of squarely in the crosshairs as it is with Biden (until possibly last week) https://uscpublicdiplomacy.org/event/talk-john-kerry-us-special-presidential-envoy-climate-0 https://uscpublicdiplomacy.org/event/talk-john-kerry-us-spec... The level of inflation 2017 through 2020 was remarkably low, and still the Fed raised rates 9 times during Trump's presidency. This is at conflict with your statement that they juiced the economy on low rates. What is YOUR party doing right now to end wasteful and inefficient spending? I think you will find Republican OR Democrat, there is a huge number of people willing to do the hard work of cutting despite the negative press (almost entirely from the left) that it creates.
- yks 4y ago
  > Do you think that matters for companies making decisions on where they will locate? You bet it does. The following link is heavy on "will", sure, maybe lowering the rate is finally something that will make economy strong as opposed to post-WWII US with rates above 40% (sarcasm). But okay, despite the strong "trickle-down economics is good" vibes, you get a point. > In 2019, the USA hit a 50-year low in unemployment, WITH a labor force participation rate 2 percentage points higher than the best under Biden. According to FRED charts, 2019 unemployment lowest was 3.4 like under Biden. I hope we agree to exclude COVID spike, especially since it spanned both admins. And the downtrend of unemployment started not with Trump either. > In the previous admin, there were 40 consecutive months of more job openings than unemployed people. Again, Trump inherited a good economy, although propped up by low prime rate. > trade treaties Well, not everyone is impressed apparently: https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/did-trumps-tariffs-benefit-american-workers-and-national-security/ https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/did-trumps-t.... This article and others can be a godawful left-wing propaganda, so I give you a point here too, something was clearly done and maybe it was even good. > they passed a paid Family Leave for families that was Dems push to include it into the bill afaik > The level of inflation 2017 through 2020 was remarkably low, and still the Fed raised rates 9 times during Trump's presidency. But they had to back off at 2.4 which is not a high rate. > What is YOUR party doing right now to end wasteful and inefficient spending? First of all, Dems is not MY party, second, they are not doing much, agree here, but you still have not convinced me that Reps are doing good things either. But anyway, my major point is that Reps are not significantly different in the economics department to support them on that merit, especially since in the other departments the most loud Rep leaders want to assist a hostile foreign fascist power to perpetrate genocide, while being openly proud about that position.

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unethical_ban 4y ago

If you vote red no matter who, you get anti-democratic authoritarians who don't value education, regulation, climate change or social issues. What are the options, flip a coin? Your reddit formatting isn't appreciated here, either.

mrguyorama 4y ago
You're also forgetting that voting red doesn't fix the damn economy either because they DGAF about the economy, and spend all their political capital giving the 1% tax breaks instead, because they hope that by saddling the American government with a shitty balance sheet will cause it to struggle and die.
dye_lemma 4y ago
People who vote red think education should be overseen locally, with strong parental involvement, and that all children (in tough neighborhoods especially) should have a choice of well-run schools. People who vote blue support teachers unions (and SBs) that routinely sue superior charter schools out of existence, block reforms that would allow incompetent or literally criminal teachers (child molesters, even) from being fired, block incentive-based teacher pay, and do not support informed consent of college students before taking out huge student loans for degrees with minor to zero economic value. At present, they also routinely protest AGAINST free speech on campus and block invited speakers from speaking. Do you support those things? Most people don't, they just don't realize how and why it is happening -- it's due to their voting and tacit support. Happy to share links to pages and videos, since you will not hear this via the mainstream media.
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  If we were interested in better more equitable public education, we would stop funding schools with local property taxes that trap the poor in an education-poverty cycle, and fund it at the state level. I get the feeling school choice is a dog whistle for privatized, for profit education with less oversight. I also must doubt your assertion that child molesting people are being protected as teachers, considering they would be convicted and put on a sex offender list and not be allowed around minors. As for anti free speech activities at college campuses, it does get covered by "mainstream media" and the comments are usually filled with eye rolls at the naive kids and feckless administrators letting it happen.