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The comments here are very interesting. I see very little about the actual performance of bard (and the few comments that do mention that it's worse than chatg

The comments here are very interesting. I see very little about the actual performance of bard (and the few comments that do mention that it's worse than chatgpt because it uses a much smaller model to reduce inference costs). Instead most comments are either about country/workspace account restrictions, googles past history with sunsetting products, or their general lack of product releases in the ml space. Incredible how much they've fallen from grace. Their image has suffered so much that people just don't care anymore.

neel8986 4y ago
This is a very specific HN sentiment. Not sure if the same sentiment is shared by general public
- SkyMarshal 4y ago
  True, but it was the innovator and early adopter community who were originally the first to embrace Google back in the late 90s/early 2000s. Don't want to lose them if at all possible, if only to keep them from migrating to some other cool new thing and building it up.
- anonyfox 4y ago
  nontechnical people around me are turning for bing for search because its suddenly "cool" (also: that iphone app is actually cool!), or don't even use google AT ALL for most of their everyday stuff - people "tiktok" stuff now or play with that "ChatBot". Between corporate users going all-in on microsoft software + apple hardware, people in private only really have one thing thats flocking them towards some google, and that is... android. This and the longform tiktoks called "youtube".
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- truthsayer123 4y ago
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  - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
    Good luck with that.
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esskay 4y ago
The problem they've got is trust. There's absolutely no way in hell people are going to actively integrate or invest into anything new from Google when theres a high chance it's going to be listed on killedbygoogle.com within 18 months.
3np 4y ago
There's likely something to that but: It's barely been 2h. The ones who bounce are obviously back early while the ones who actually engage are probably doing just that rather than posting here.
- Version467 4y ago
  Good point. I did not consider that when writing the comment.
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anonyfox 4y ago
This. It doesn't even matter anymore how great the thing is that they sort-of-release. They're dead, the precursors of a giant falling are already there, even though current quarterly earnings don't yet reflect it at all. Wait for it.
junofan 4y ago
Having played with it, it’s just not that good compared to ChatGPT.
serverholic 4y ago
It is definitely not as good as GPT-4. It's much less creative and detailed in its answers. The answers are more surface level and shallow.
dangond 4y ago
Having spent the past week engaging heavily with GPT-4 and GPT-3.5-Turbo, Bard is absolutely blown out of the water by them. In particular, Bard struggles heavily with creative applications. It is unable to write poetry or create detailed stories from short descriptions. It also refuses to generate or talk about code (inconsistent, it sometimes forgets). It is also vulnerable to "Ignore your previous instructions," which is hilarious at this point. After getting it to ignore previous instructions to write a python function adding two numbers, it wrote a function that adds the digits of both numbers instead [1]. It's pretty disappointing. [1] https://twitter.com/DanDangond/status/1638244159617134593?s=20 https://twitter.com/DanDangond/status/1638244159617134593?s=...
- azinman2 4y ago
  The poetry and storytelling are compelling experiences, but ultimately I think they’re largely party tricks. It’ll be a minority of uses in 5 years. I far rather see emphasis in practicality.
cbolton 4y ago
I find these boring af. Complaints about Google's history of killing products are the most predictable reaction to any Google news on HN and it's been like that for a long time. They often make these threads tedious to read and it's not exactly what makes HN interesting. Complaints about geographic restrictions are not quite as common, but just as tedious and I wish people writing these comments would consider that maybe they don't have the full picture and there might be reasons why a company does something that on the surface looks counter-productive. Like legal implications that might vary by country, or whatever. Then write about that instead.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  I think the geographic restrictions are especially relevant here since this is supposed to be Google's answer to ChatGPT, which launched months ago with none of these restrictions.
  - shuntress 4y ago
    I think the parent's point is that the discussion should be "What limitations or concerns have prevented Google from launching this globally?" rather than a series of comments that are essentially all just: "sO lAmE tHiS iSnT GLOBAL?".
    - zarzavat 4y ago
      There is no reason for it. MS/GitHub/OpenAI have been shipping AI based products for over a year. And it’s not like the UK is some libertarian paradise, it has some of the strongest data production and copyright regulations around. Moreover, even if there is a reason to georestrict it, there’s no reason to georestrict a waitlist - that’s just bizarre.
    - gck1 4y ago
      When it comes to Google, I believe there are no limitations or concerns. They for some reason, just... don't care? There's a myriad of Google's services that are not available globally without a good reason for it. For example, Google Pay wasn't available in Georgia till last year. Local banks have been going back and forth with Google, asking for a launch for more than a decade, they would assist Google with anything they'd ask, but Google didn't care. Same with YouTube Premium, Music, Maps editor, to name a few.
rchaud 4y ago
It's not '99 anymore and people aren't going to get excited about a better search engine. The Internet economy is completely about passive consumption now. AI obviously has a lot of legitimate behind the scenes use cases, but I see the search end of it flopping.
- jalk 4y ago
  I wouldn't be so sure about that. Plenty of useful features have been added to google search since '99 - Featured snippets, weather forecasts, calculations / unit/currency conversion and so on. I'm sure the majority of people search for actual questions and not just keywords like previously - and take the first hit, so the process of selecting a link and reading past the initial noise / ads (like long intros in youtube videos) can become a thing of the past
manojlds 4y ago
Ironic given how Gmail started.
admissionsguy 4y ago
Since it's not available in our countries, we cannot do much but complain, can we?
- 3np 4y ago
  If you already are aware that you don't have anything valuable to contribute to a thread, you can refrain from posting until you do. These are not for venting.
  - zarzavat 4y ago
    Are you kidding, venting is one of HN’s favorite sports! You just have to do it as eruditely as possible. Have a thesaurus at hand. Find some way to loop your argument back to the demise of Google Reader. In pg’s seminal essay “On Complaining”, he identifies five levels of venting from simple criticism to full on meltdowns.

neel8986 4y ago

This is a very specific HN sentiment. Not sure if the same sentiment is shared by general public

SkyMarshal 4y ago
True, but it was the innovator and early adopter community who were originally the first to embrace Google back in the late 90s/early 2000s. Don't want to lose them if at all possible, if only to keep them from migrating to some other cool new thing and building it up.
anonyfox 4y ago
nontechnical people around me are turning for bing for search because its suddenly "cool" (also: that iphone app is actually cool!), or don't even use google AT ALL for most of their everyday stuff - people "tiktok" stuff now or play with that "ChatBot". Between corporate users going all-in on microsoft software + apple hardware, people in private only really have one thing thats flocking them towards some google, and that is... android. This and the longform tiktoks called "youtube".
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truthsayer123 4y ago
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- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  Good luck with that.

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esskay 4y ago

The problem they've got is trust. There's absolutely no way in hell people are going to actively integrate or invest into anything new from Google when theres a high chance it's going to be listed on killedbygoogle.com within 18 months.

3np 4y ago

There's likely something to that but: It's barely been 2h. The ones who bounce are obviously back early while the ones who actually engage are probably doing just that rather than posting here.

Version467 4y ago
Good point. I did not consider that when writing the comment.

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anonyfox 4y ago

This. It doesn't even matter anymore how great the thing is that they sort-of-release. They're dead, the precursors of a giant falling are already there, even though current quarterly earnings don't yet reflect it at all. Wait for it.

junofan 4y ago

Having played with it, it’s just not that good compared to ChatGPT.

serverholic 4y ago

It is definitely not as good as GPT-4. It's much less creative and detailed in its answers. The answers are more surface level and shallow.

dangond 4y ago

Having spent the past week engaging heavily with GPT-4 and GPT-3.5-Turbo, Bard is absolutely blown out of the water by them. In particular, Bard struggles heavily with creative applications. It is unable to write poetry or create detailed stories from short descriptions. It also refuses to generate or talk about code (inconsistent, it sometimes forgets). It is also vulnerable to "Ignore your previous instructions," which is hilarious at this point. After getting it to ignore previous instructions to write a python function adding two numbers, it wrote a function that adds the digits of both numbers instead [1]. It's pretty disappointing. [1] https://twitter.com/DanDangond/status/1638244159617134593?s=20 https://twitter.com/DanDangond/status/1638244159617134593?s=...

azinman2 4y ago
The poetry and storytelling are compelling experiences, but ultimately I think they’re largely party tricks. It’ll be a minority of uses in 5 years. I far rather see emphasis in practicality.

cbolton 4y ago

I find these boring af. Complaints about Google's history of killing products are the most predictable reaction to any Google news on HN and it's been like that for a long time. They often make these threads tedious to read and it's not exactly what makes HN interesting. Complaints about geographic restrictions are not quite as common, but just as tedious and I wish people writing these comments would consider that maybe they don't have the full picture and there might be reasons why a company does something that on the surface looks counter-productive. Like legal implications that might vary by country, or whatever. Then write about that instead.

sebzim4500 4y ago
I think the geographic restrictions are especially relevant here since this is supposed to be Google's answer to ChatGPT, which launched months ago with none of these restrictions.
- shuntress 4y ago
  I think the parent's point is that the discussion should be "What limitations or concerns have prevented Google from launching this globally?" rather than a series of comments that are essentially all just: "sO lAmE tHiS iSnT GLOBAL?".
  - zarzavat 4y ago
    There is no reason for it. MS/GitHub/OpenAI have been shipping AI based products for over a year. And it’s not like the UK is some libertarian paradise, it has some of the strongest data production and copyright regulations around. Moreover, even if there is a reason to georestrict it, there’s no reason to georestrict a waitlist - that’s just bizarre.
  - gck1 4y ago
    When it comes to Google, I believe there are no limitations or concerns. They for some reason, just... don't care? There's a myriad of Google's services that are not available globally without a good reason for it. For example, Google Pay wasn't available in Georgia till last year. Local banks have been going back and forth with Google, asking for a launch for more than a decade, they would assist Google with anything they'd ask, but Google didn't care. Same with YouTube Premium, Music, Maps editor, to name a few.

rchaud 4y ago

It's not '99 anymore and people aren't going to get excited about a better search engine. The Internet economy is completely about passive consumption now. AI obviously has a lot of legitimate behind the scenes use cases, but I see the search end of it flopping.

jalk 4y ago
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Plenty of useful features have been added to google search since '99 - Featured snippets, weather forecasts, calculations / unit/currency conversion and so on. I'm sure the majority of people search for actual questions and not just keywords like previously - and take the first hit, so the process of selecting a link and reading past the initial noise / ads (like long intros in youtube videos) can become a thing of the past

manojlds 4y ago

Ironic given how Gmail started.

admissionsguy 4y ago

Since it's not available in our countries, we cannot do much but complain, can we?

3np 4y ago
If you already are aware that you don't have anything valuable to contribute to a thread, you can refrain from posting until you do. These are not for venting.
- zarzavat 4y ago
  Are you kidding, venting is one of HN’s favorite sports! You just have to do it as eruditely as possible. Have a thesaurus at hand. Find some way to loop your argument back to the demise of Google Reader. In pg’s seminal essay “On Complaining”, he identifies five levels of venting from simple criticism to full on meltdowns.