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Ender's Game is quite good, though the sequels get mixed reviews. You should be aware going in that the author really dislikes gay people. This doesn't come up

Ender's Game is quite good, though the sequels get mixed reviews. You should be aware going in that the author really dislikes gay people. This doesn't come up much in Ender's Game, but it does tinge things and is a real theme in his other books.

sanderjd 4y ago
Yep, I definitely don't universally vouch for Card, but I do still have very warm feelings toward Ender's Game, and also find a lot to value in the sequels, despite them being more hit or miss.
effingwewt 4y ago
'Tinge things'? If an author's personal political and morality views change your enjoyment of books you'd only be able to read things from the last decade. As far as I remember homosexuality didn't even really come up in Ender's Game, its prequels mor sequels. I read Songmaster by OSC as a teenager, and that wasn't what I took away from it. There was a gay relationship that was at times hard to read for me as it went into such detail. Being straight it helped me see things' from the other side' so to speak. It wasn't until I was a grown adult and had already read everything OSC had written that I found out he was a conservative Mormon.
- ddulaney 4y ago
  > If an author's personal political and morality views change your enjoyment of books you'd only be able to read things from the last decade. Not necessarily enjoyment, but they definitely change my perspective on the books. I read them, I sometimes love them, but I read them differently knowing what I do about the author. I don't need or want to agree with every view an author has. But I do want to read their writing in context, including historical context. You should still read Ender's Game, and you can definitely still like it (I know I do!). > homosexuality didn't even really come up in Ender's Game Yeah, that's fair. Lots of adjacent things did though: masculinity, sexuality, and violence in that context (for example, in the shower fight scene). I think his views on homosexuality are reflected in how he addresses those topics, even though it's not the main idea of the book. So yes: tinged. Not ruined, or unreadable, or canceled. But definitely there.
  - effingwewt 4y ago
    Adjacent to homosexuality? I mean no offense I just honestly do not understand. I've read the entire series and EG in particular more times over than I can remember- more than any other books and I just don't see what you do, but I guess reading a story is a personal journey we all take alone. Could be that what colors the glasses we view the stories through are our own personal experiences. Appreciate you taking the time to help me understand.

sanderjd 4y ago

Yep, I definitely don't universally vouch for Card, but I do still have very warm feelings toward Ender's Game, and also find a lot to value in the sequels, despite them being more hit or miss.

effingwewt 4y ago

'Tinge things'? If an author's personal political and morality views change your enjoyment of books you'd only be able to read things from the last decade. As far as I remember homosexuality didn't even really come up in Ender's Game, its prequels mor sequels. I read Songmaster by OSC as a teenager, and that wasn't what I took away from it. There was a gay relationship that was at times hard to read for me as it went into such detail. Being straight it helped me see things' from the other side' so to speak. It wasn't until I was a grown adult and had already read everything OSC had written that I found out he was a conservative Mormon.

ddulaney 4y ago
> If an author's personal political and morality views change your enjoyment of books you'd only be able to read things from the last decade. Not necessarily enjoyment, but they definitely change my perspective on the books. I read them, I sometimes love them, but I read them differently knowing what I do about the author. I don't need or want to agree with every view an author has. But I do want to read their writing in context, including historical context. You should still read Ender's Game, and you can definitely still like it (I know I do!). > homosexuality didn't even really come up in Ender's Game Yeah, that's fair. Lots of adjacent things did though: masculinity, sexuality, and violence in that context (for example, in the shower fight scene). I think his views on homosexuality are reflected in how he addresses those topics, even though it's not the main idea of the book. So yes: tinged. Not ruined, or unreadable, or canceled. But definitely there.
- effingwewt 4y ago
  Adjacent to homosexuality? I mean no offense I just honestly do not understand. I've read the entire series and EG in particular more times over than I can remember- more than any other books and I just don't see what you do, but I guess reading a story is a personal journey we all take alone. Could be that what colors the glasses we view the stories through are our own personal experiences. Appreciate you taking the time to help me understand.