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"Has police kill union boss"? I don't see that anywhere in the article, some people think it's the right of unions not only to strike but also to use force (to

by drats 15y ago

"Has police kill union boss"? I don't see that anywhere in the article, some people think it's the right of unions not only to strike but also to use force (to block people entering workplaces). If they are legally not allowed to do that (court order) and the police have to disperse them violently then the police are just doing their job. And even if the police overstepped the mark and used too much force I don't think murder of the owner is a valid solution.

srik 15y ago
My gut (and friends back home) say thats exactly what happened.
martythemaniak 15y ago
Well, we have no way of knowing whether he actually wanted him killed or "just" savagely beaten, but it doesn't matter. Second degree murder is still murder. Now, if you think this was some kind of routine police enforcement action that got out of hand and that the company boss had nothing to do with it, then I don't think you know how things work, especially in places like India. The police chief and top brass would most likely be part of the same social circles and would look out for each other's interests. In corrupt places, the power of the state is always readily available to the rich and powerful, whether it's quelling a labour dispute in India or a low-interest Fed borrowing window. Now, when I first read the title I was struck that a company president would be killed by workers, but after reading the article, it suddenly makes a lot more sense, doesn't it? Now that I think about it, it's also pretty sad that the killing of a labour activist doesn't surprise or shock me, but the killing of an executive does.
- yummyfajitas 15y ago
  In this case, the union leader and others were trespassing and attempting to prevent others from peacefully selling labor at prices lower than his. The police responded violently to prevent this. What's the problem? It's sad that the factory owner needed to be part of the same social circle as the police to have the rule of law enforced, but that doesn't change the fact that the police were merely enforcing the rule of law. If a gang leader was trespassing inside a bank vault, and the police beat him with a lathi, would you similarly object?
  - bandushrew 15y ago
    "The police responded violently to prevent this." "What's the problem?" maybe that the police responded violently? and killed someone unnecessarily? "It's sad that the factory owner needed to be part of the same social circle as the police to have the rule of law enforced, but that doesn't change the fact that the police were merely enforcing the rule of law." If the rule of law allows for murder, then the rule of law is wrong and operating under it is no defence. "If a gang leader was trespassing inside a bank vault, and the police beat him with a lathi, would you similarly object?" yes? if the police have already caught him, what possible cause could they have for beating him unnecessarily?
    - yummyfajitas 15y ago
      How do you know the union leader was killed unnecessarily? The article is unclear on this point. All we know right now is that the union leader was killed while engaging in criminal behavior. Your version of the story may be correct, but you've presented no evidence of it. Similarly, in the hypothetical I raised, I made no claim as to whether the gang leader was in custody. That's merely your assumption.
      - anthonyb 15y ago
        Please don't use phrases like "criminal behaviour". If you read the article, he was killed by riot police while blockading the factory. Pretty standard peaceful protest, standard procedure when the law doesn't do the right thing, and should not be beaten down with clubs.
        yummyfajitas 15y ago
        A blockade is criminal behavior. An angry mob does not have the right to surround your house and prevent people from entering or leaving. Such activity does not qualify as "peaceful". Trespass (which Rao was engaged in) is also criminal behavior, as is rioting, destruction of property, etc. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Workers-kill-Regency-Ceramics-executive-in-Yanam/357751.html http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Workers-kill-Reg... You may be right that the police used excessive force, but you've presented no evidence of it. However, some force was clearly required.
Karunamon 15y ago
>and the police have to disperse them violently then the police are just doing their job. If the police have to disperse them "violently", then they suck as police and should be fired.

by drats 15y ago

srik 15y ago

My gut (and friends back home) say thats exactly what happened.

martythemaniak 15y ago

Well, we have no way of knowing whether he actually wanted him killed or "just" savagely beaten, but it doesn't matter. Second degree murder is still murder. Now, if you think this was some kind of routine police enforcement action that got out of hand and that the company boss had nothing to do with it, then I don't think you know how things work, especially in places like India. The police chief and top brass would most likely be part of the same social circles and would look out for each other's interests. In corrupt places, the power of the state is always readily available to the rich and powerful, whether it's quelling a labour dispute in India or a low-interest Fed borrowing window. Now, when I first read the title I was struck that a company president would be killed by workers, but after reading the article, it suddenly makes a lot more sense, doesn't it? Now that I think about it, it's also pretty sad that the killing of a labour activist doesn't surprise or shock me, but the killing of an executive does.

yummyfajitas 15y ago
In this case, the union leader and others were trespassing and attempting to prevent others from peacefully selling labor at prices lower than his. The police responded violently to prevent this. What's the problem? It's sad that the factory owner needed to be part of the same social circle as the police to have the rule of law enforced, but that doesn't change the fact that the police were merely enforcing the rule of law. If a gang leader was trespassing inside a bank vault, and the police beat him with a lathi, would you similarly object?
- bandushrew 15y ago
  "The police responded violently to prevent this." "What's the problem?" maybe that the police responded violently? and killed someone unnecessarily? "It's sad that the factory owner needed to be part of the same social circle as the police to have the rule of law enforced, but that doesn't change the fact that the police were merely enforcing the rule of law." If the rule of law allows for murder, then the rule of law is wrong and operating under it is no defence. "If a gang leader was trespassing inside a bank vault, and the police beat him with a lathi, would you similarly object?" yes? if the police have already caught him, what possible cause could they have for beating him unnecessarily?
  - yummyfajitas 15y ago
    How do you know the union leader was killed unnecessarily? The article is unclear on this point. All we know right now is that the union leader was killed while engaging in criminal behavior. Your version of the story may be correct, but you've presented no evidence of it. Similarly, in the hypothetical I raised, I made no claim as to whether the gang leader was in custody. That's merely your assumption.
    - anthonyb 15y ago
      Please don't use phrases like "criminal behaviour". If you read the article, he was killed by riot police while blockading the factory. Pretty standard peaceful protest, standard procedure when the law doesn't do the right thing, and should not be beaten down with clubs.
      - yummyfajitas 15y ago
        A blockade is criminal behavior. An angry mob does not have the right to surround your house and prevent people from entering or leaving. Such activity does not qualify as "peaceful". Trespass (which Rao was engaged in) is also criminal behavior, as is rioting, destruction of property, etc. http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Workers-kill-Regency-Ceramics-executive-in-Yanam/357751.html http://expressbuzz.com/states/andhrapradesh/Workers-kill-Reg... You may be right that the police used excessive force, but you've presented no evidence of it. However, some force was clearly required.

Karunamon 15y ago

>and the police have to disperse them violently then the police are just doing their job. If the police have to disperse them "violently", then they suck as police and should be fired.