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I know many retirees who become restless and almost lose a sense of purpose upon retiring. And retirement is a choice for most of them. Even if we were able to

I know many retirees who become restless and almost lose a sense of purpose upon retiring. And retirement is a choice for most of them. Even if we were able to work out the economic adaptations easily, I think there are major potential negative social impacts to mass "retirement" of a young workforce. I also question what "passions" take hold in a society where all of the work, including creative endeavour, is done my AI.

hgs3 4y ago
> I know many retirees who become restless and almost lose a sense of purpose upon retiring. I know many employed folks who are depressed because their wasting their lives in meaningless corporate wage slavery. Should we optimize for the passionate or the passionless? > I also question what "passions" take hold in a society where all of the work, including creative endeavour, is done my AI. This is an attitude problem. I myself am learning to sketch, regardless of AI advancements, because I want to. If AI stops folks from pursuing their "passions" than that means they weren't passionate to begin with.
- brandon272 4y ago
  > Should we optimize for the passionate or the passionless? We should optimize for the scenario that brings forth the greatest level of widespread happiness. For those who feel like they are "wasting their lives in meaningless corporate wage slavery", is the better alternative for them to do nothing or be faced with an environment where there is not even the opportunity to contribute and potentially no social safety net to prevent despair? > This is an attitude problem. The "attitude problems" derived from the mass removal of things that people derive legitimate purpose in are exactly the kind of thing we should be worried about when it comes to AI and automation replacing work, because enough people with "attitude problems" about this kind of thing are a recipe for mass societal unrest. > I myself am learning to sketch Can you fill every waking day with sketching and other similar hobbies? Does sketching give you meaning and purpose? If so, that's great, but sketching isn't going to do it for the vast majority of people who derive a sense of purpose and accomplishment from productive work and being able to positively contribute to society, not to mention independently provide for themselves and their families.

hgs3 4y ago

> I know many retirees who become restless and almost lose a sense of purpose upon retiring. I know many employed folks who are depressed because their wasting their lives in meaningless corporate wage slavery. Should we optimize for the passionate or the passionless? > I also question what "passions" take hold in a society where all of the work, including creative endeavour, is done my AI. This is an attitude problem. I myself am learning to sketch, regardless of AI advancements, because I want to. If AI stops folks from pursuing their "passions" than that means they weren't passionate to begin with.

brandon272 4y ago
> Should we optimize for the passionate or the passionless? We should optimize for the scenario that brings forth the greatest level of widespread happiness. For those who feel like they are "wasting their lives in meaningless corporate wage slavery", is the better alternative for them to do nothing or be faced with an environment where there is not even the opportunity to contribute and potentially no social safety net to prevent despair? > This is an attitude problem. The "attitude problems" derived from the mass removal of things that people derive legitimate purpose in are exactly the kind of thing we should be worried about when it comes to AI and automation replacing work, because enough people with "attitude problems" about this kind of thing are a recipe for mass societal unrest. > I myself am learning to sketch Can you fill every waking day with sketching and other similar hobbies? Does sketching give you meaning and purpose? If so, that's great, but sketching isn't going to do it for the vast majority of people who derive a sense of purpose and accomplishment from productive work and being able to positively contribute to society, not to mention independently provide for themselves and their families.